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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 01:19 AM
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Boomers, AARP's sell-out is about you!
And it's about Gen Xers, Gen Yers, and everyone who plans on getting old in America. You better join the fight and not let the bastards win this one, or they're going to win every fight coming down the pike, which is going to mean privatized Social Security for you. And that means no security at all.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 01:23 AM
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1. Also, the money will still be taken out of your checks.
It's your benefits when you retire that you won't see because they will have been funneled into Wall Street long before then if you let these crooks change things. Don't let them take what is rightfully yours. As an old phart I know that Medicare and Social Security work perfectly fine run by the government as long as the elected lawmakers aren't allowed to interfere with them.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 01:27 AM
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5. Some twit on Usenet asked me this idiotic question:
"Why should I have to pay for some one else's drugs?"

Because, idiot, someone's going to pay for your drugs. Just like the people you think you're paying for now paid for someone else's. It's called the social contract.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 01:26 AM
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2. Damn straight
But the apathetic dipshit's in that age group are either dieing in Iraq, inbetween jobs, looking for a cheap college to attend or in jail for some dumb fuck drug or prostitution charge. The majority of them though are so apathetic they could care less. I fucking hate you media and censor's fucks.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 01:27 AM
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3. Just Re-institute The Draft
That'll wake us up.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 01:50 AM
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10. I think they should make it mandatory military service for 2 years
like the swiss do. It will give them a sense of importance in participating in a representive democracy.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 01:27 AM
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4. From what I read the Gen Xer's want to privatize social security
It seems like I've heard young people say they want to put their money in the stock market and not have it used to support old giezers like me when I retire.

The problem with that is that when they lose it there will be nothing for anyone but the money managers.
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Momof1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 01:28 AM
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6. Yes the AARP is selling out
But do you realize how bad seniors have it right now just to stay alive? WHY EXPLAIN TO ME WHY my father has 3 freaking jobs at the age of 78 just to buy drugs. How come my dad went to work within 10 days after leaving the Intensive Care Unit.

Their Health insurance is about $400 a month. WHY cause they are old. And $400 a month doesn't cover prescriptions. Now add my dad's 15 daily prescription drugs, and then my mom's 8 daily prescriptions.

And they won't go to Canada, cause they have swallowed the whole.."The drugs aren't safe bullshit"

What pisses me off about this bill is that it doesn't kick in till 2005. That is what everyone should be protesting. This is a disgusting piece of legislation...

BUT DAMMIT they need HELP NOW.


Sorry, off my soapbox
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 01:31 AM
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7. if you really want to help lower drug costs
campaign against prescription drug advertisements, thier for PRESCRIPTION drugs, you cant get them without a doctor, so the advertisements only help to drive up drug costs
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Momof1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 01:34 AM
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8. Ha!! As if
The drug companies are the most evil thing on this planet right now. The read the bottom line. I would have a better chance of converting Rupert Murdoch into becoming a democrat.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 06:39 AM
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15. Be sure your parents understand that this bill will force them to

either pay lots more for Medicare or join an HMO -- either way, we'll be screwed if this passes. And we won't get much for prescriptions, either.

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 01:45 AM
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9. "We'll keep fighting to make your prescription drugs more affordable"
so says the AARP ad.

Translation: trust us. :eyes:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 02:07 AM
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11. Excellent source on the history of Medicare and Heritage Foundation.
Heritage Foundation has been campaigning against Medicare for a decade.

Here is a good website with the history of the program
http://www.medicarerights.org/policyframeset.html

Choose The History of Medicare and the current debate on the upper left.

Great source.
SNIP..."The roots of the movement for a market-driven Medicare program lay in the Heritage Foundation's three-year, $30 million media campaign advancing their proposal to reform the Medicare program by applying the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) model. The Heritage Foundation is a research and educational institute–a think tank–whose mission is to promote public policies based on free enterprise and limited government.

In a FEHBP-type Medicare program, the government would give an insurance company or a managed care firm a set amount of money to provide benefits. While the government's payments would be reduced, more of the costs would be shifted to people with Medicare, who over time would absorb the rising costs of medical services. This model is counter to the principle of collective-risk sharing that the Medicare program is built on. If too many people choose a private Medicare option that provides fewer benefits at less cost, only the sickest and hardest to insure would remain in Medicare's risk pool, which could eventually make original Medicare unaffordable..."

Then in my mind the government would just not give the money someday, and kaput. We can fight this thing.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 02:21 AM
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12. saw the AARP ad on TV
can't believe the actors sold themselves out for AARP's message of
'it's not perfect ... we need to pass this ASAP'

:puke:
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 02:26 AM
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13. Trying to pull the old Harry and Louise tactic, eh?
Edited on Fri Nov-21-03 02:28 AM by BurtWorm
:puke:

PS: Harry and Louise worked because it scared people. This probably won't work (based on your minimalist description of it) because it's trying to paper over a PR disaster. People hate to have bullshit spewed on them--I hope.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 04:20 AM
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14. it is also not working
Bcuz the people this will affect R paying very close attention. That is why so many people R rightfully pissed off @ AARP.

part of my email 2 AARP:

I suspect Mr. Novelli is not dependent on Medicare or he would not be so enthusiastic in his support of the insurance lobby's god-awful bill. Mr Novelli needs to remove his lips from bush's ass and pay attention to the people he pretends to represent. There is no way this self-described republican toady can care about the social needs of the aging. The man is a disaster.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 10:37 AM
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16. kick
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