Bush drops to 47 percent in Pennsylvania, according to new poll

Great news! Check it out:
http://www.lancasteronline.com/articles/4508.shtm

I'm not well versed on the specifics of other candidates, but my family in Schuylkill County (in the Alabama part of PA) liked Dean's rural plan a lot.

I'd love to see it drop more! :hi:

Hi Deb, I am right next to you in Dover. :toast:

Bush will not win in PA, if we work as hard as in '00 when Gore carried the state easily.

Now with Rendell in there, he can deliver 90% of philly area. Thats all we need to sweep.

and yes Rendell will not let him have PA.

...and only 26% of poll responders said they'd vote for Bush in 2004. Most said they'd vote for whatever the Democrats offer, and 10% said they'd probably vote third party.

Either the net is getting less right wing, or Bush is in serious trouble.

I from Pa. and I'm sure it will continue to drop. Things arent going well in this state, jobs down etc.

I have the same problem with this poll as I do with Zogby's poll. Let me explain. This poll, as well as Zogby, when asking if you approve of Bush or not, do NOT ask for a YES or NO answer. They ask you to rate his performance as either EXCELLENT, GOOD, FAIR, POOR.

EXCELLENT and GOOD and then counted as "YES, I APPROVE".
While FAIR and POOR are then counted as "NO, I DO NOT APPROVE".

So people that say "Bush is doing a fair job" are counted as AGAINST BUSH. If you were polled, would you say Bush is doing a FAIR JOB?!?!?
Probably not. So who are these people? Anyone that says FAIR instead of POOR obviously likes something, or they'd say POOR.
The reality is, people that say FAIR JOB, like some things, but might not like other things. It's really kind of a grey area. Are they Reps that think Bush isn't cutting taxes enough (but will vote for him anyway), or are they Dems that won't vote for him, but who maybe like something he did lately?? To me, this method causes to many questions and variables and isn't as reliable as asking YES/NO.

I like to study polls to find what people are REALLY thinking. This method makes it a little harder to determine.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

I say it's our most important "must win"

Pennsylvania will be a HUGE HELP if we win it.

The article states that Central PA, is mostly republican. And I just can't understand that. Yes, this is really republican territory. But there are also 40,000 + people at Penn State that could help the dems in every election. But they can't organize enough to get a student on the Borough council. HELP ME!! I'm surrounded....lol

As long as Dem put up a qaukity candidate Philly and Pitt area will always carry this state. PA is like NY and CA with SD in the middle. No quality Dem will lose PA.

I could not understand why Blair County was so Rebublican, it is poor and people voted against their economic interests because of social issues like abortion and guns (well, that's what I think). I'm starting to see that here in WV now, this state went for Bush and we have a Bush robot, Shelly Capito as our US Congress Rep.

I commuted to State College from Hollidaysburg and I did not see much, if any, political influence from the University population, students, faculty or staff. That's surprising for a college town, in my opinion.

This was posted in response to momof1, I just can't seem to respond to the right post.

Now can you please dump Rick Sanitarium too!
:hurts:

We have Spector, Santorum, and Shuster. The only bright spot is Rendell. State College & the surrounding region is now in trouble. Corning shut down in the spring. I hope that that will wake people up around here. Crossing my fingers.

and Santorum and Shuster. Shuster was my U.S. Rep when I lived in Hollidaysburg and I thought he was so sleazy. He was on the transportation committee and had roads named after him and took contributions (some illegal with employees forced to give) from companies who built roads. I've hated Specter since the Anita Hill trashing. Santorum was elected as Senator after my time there but I think he's crazy and stupid. Anyway, I like Rendell and hope PA doesn't go for Bush.

way and actually go down the main street of Indiana, one side is his district, the other is Murtha's district. He is seen as slob around here, but his district is 80% republican. Shuster is under scrutiny now for having one of his workers spy on next year's primary opponent DelGrosso (spaghetti/pizza sauce guy) from Tipton near Altoona.

are drawn from across the state, and have about the same political positions as the state as a whole. Yes, yes, but it's academe, yes? Well, sure, but the Smeal College of business and the engineering school have fairly conservative populations, and the sciences (including computer science) have huge contracts with the military. We should also remember that State College itself is fairly wealthy in terms of "townies" - much going on in the science park, and in financial, and in "small businesses" really monopoly local retail convenience stores and restaurants and student apartment businesses that serve the University.

State College establishment is so conservative that they don't even bother running a Dem in the district for Congress. And that's before you get into the rest of the district, who are the poor rural hunters and Christians that vote for hunting (which I have no problem with) and misogyny (i.e., "anti-abortion" Christianity), and generally for a self-destructive and self-defeating version of "America." Nothing sadder than to see a poor rural couple leave one of the town's TWO WalMarts, obviously lacking sufficient healthcare and dental, and get into a beat up old car with the BUSH CHENEY bumper sticker. Hey, maybe that makes me an elitist. These folks COULD BE doing better than all that, though - and that doesn't mean that they should be city-fied. They are LOSERS in the globalization of capital - increasingly so, yet the GOP manages to articulate a social program that strokes the outrage they should be feeling about that into a misdirected resentment - as if their social conditions were a result of abortion - a laughable proposition on its face.

Centre County also has one of the largest prisons in the state (Rockview). Oh, and State College has a fantastic school system.

It's at once an exhilirating and sad place.

I don't know how to reply to your statement. Yes, its true. But I don't like to think of myself and my neighbors are really like that. But its true. And why wouldn't 40,000 students try to change that. Along with the Bush/Cheney bumperstickers on cars around here, are knowledgeable people that come for 4 yrs., and leave. Most of them aren't voting.

How frustrating it is to be a democrat in an environment like this, I'm honestly afraid to put a bumper sticker on my car, with a dissenting opinion.

I was kidding earlier in the thread when I said "I'm surrounded" but I'm really not :(

is there a site that clearly explains the electoral votes of each state and how it "went" in 2000?