Only 42 REPUBLICANS vote for the medicare bill...!!!

leftyandproud

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:27 AM
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Only 42 REPUBLICANS vote for the medicare bill...!!!

8 voted against it...

Remember this...Think about it...Where is the unity on our side? Defeating this damn thing should have been EASY!

WE ONLY NEEDED 35 DEMOCRATIC "NO" VOTES TO DEFEAT THIS!!!

We only needed 35..

35..
35..

How many Senators do we have?

49

What the $&^%#???

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Lydia Leftcoast

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:29 AM
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1. Grrr, this is an object lesson for those DLC apologists

who can't figure out why people go Green.

Fiascos like this are one big reason.

(Disclaimer: Yes, I will vote for the Dem nominee in 2004, but after that, all bets are off.)

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leftyandproud

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:39 AM
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18. f*ck em...

I'm seriously considering going Green unless Kucinich gets the nod.
The only way to send the party a message is to make them feel PAIN...the pain of losing...losing their BASE. I'm afraid its going to get worse before it gets better...Without principle, we have nothing. It's time to stand on principle. It's our only hope of pulling the party back to the left.

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pansypoo53219

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Tue Nov-25-03 11:14 AM
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35. yes, throw out the baby with the bath water

IF WE DO NOT REMOVE BUSH, we will NEVER get anything fixed. 4 more years will kill america as we know it..
The repuglicans will make sure of that.

Yes, the stupid weasel dems in senate rolled over. But it will be all their doom. as long as we get a better message out and a dem pres to fix this pile of shit.
ABB ABB ABB ABB

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CMT

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:30 AM
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2. who were the dems who voted for it?

Zell is a given and Miller of Neb and Breaux of La.

Who else?

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Neecy

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:32 AM
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7. let's see....

I don't have the complete list, but Landrieu, Lincoln, Feinstein (all Democratic women - pffft) voted for the bill.

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CMT

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:33 AM
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9. and I was thinking of Landrieu as VP next year

This doesn't totally eliminate her but in my eyes it pushes her down the list.

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:43 AM
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19. Did they all think they were doing something "nice"?

Or, as a friend said last night, "I wonder if Feinstein's husband owns a lot of pharaceutical company stock?"

Remember, Senator Diane Feinstein was one of twelve Democrats who crossed party lines to vote with the administration on the 2001 tax cut bill.

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Neecy

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:50 AM
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22. Not sure

Isn't Feinstein tangled up somehow with the AMA? Somehow this rings a bell.

I'm not surprised she voted for the bill. I lived in SF while she was mayor, and she was always a stooge for the developers and corporate pirates. I've never once cast a vote for her (although I supported Boxer in the Senate, and will continue to do so).

Lincoln - who knows?

Landrieu - one might think this was a show of solidarity with Breaux, but he isn't running next year so what's the point? I don't recall her speaking in favor of the bill, so her reasons to me are obscure.

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_NorCal_D_

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Tue Nov-25-03 11:04 AM
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31. Feinstein?

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Freddie Stubbs

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:37 AM
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16. Max Baucus, Ranking Democrat on the Finance Committee

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Freddie Stubbs

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:56 AM
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25. Tom Carper of DE

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Freddie Stubbs

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Tue Nov-25-03 11:00 AM
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26. Conrad from North Dakota

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Freddie Stubbs

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Tue Nov-25-03 11:01 AM
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27. Byron Dorgan also from North Dakota

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Freddie Stubbs

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Tue Nov-25-03 11:02 AM
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29. Jeffords (technically an Independant but caucuses with the Democrats)

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RUMMYisFROSTED

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Tue Nov-25-03 11:17 AM
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37. Here's 11:

Democrats Voting Yes:

Baucus, Mont
Breaux, La
Carper, Del
Conrad, ND
Dorgan, ND
Feinstein, Calif
Landrieu, La
Lincoln, Ark
Miller, Ga
Nelson, Neb
Wyden, Ore
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11574-2003Nov24.html

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rucky

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Tue Nov-25-03 12:20 PM
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45. et tu Wyden?

i wrote his ass (before the vote & in about 5 minutes)

this is a surprise to me.

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mmonk

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:30 AM
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3. money

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PVnRT

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:31 AM
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4. Pandering to the AARP

is all this was. Nothing more. Despite the fact that a number of seniors are upset about this bill, it's easier to just pander to the group that can give you the most money.

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OneBlueSky

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:37 AM
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17. pandering, hell! . . . they've taken over the AARP . . .

at least at the leadership level . . . the head of AARP is nothing but a Republican flack who is steering the organization along the Republican path . . . the members don't count anymore . . . hell, they don't even vote for the Board members anymore . . . another successful BFEE coup . . .

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PVnRT

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:51 AM
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24. This is how they operate

Hijack, hijack, hijack

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dmr

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Tue Nov-25-03 11:09 AM
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33. That's exactly right - a coup

The pugs made sure they got their guy in the ARRP when no one was watching, and voila! An endorsement!

Here's the list of the traitorous eleven:
Baucus, Mont.;
Breaux, La.;
Carper, Del.;
Conrad, N.D.;
Dorgan, N.D.;
Feinstein, Calif.;
Landrieu, La.;
Lincoln, Ark.;
Miller, Ga.;
Nelson, Neb.;
Wyden, Ore.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13009-2003Nov25.html

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Skidmore

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:31 AM
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5. Here are the Ds who

Edited on Tue Nov-25-03 10:57 AM by Skidmore

supported this mess:

Baucus
Breaux
Carper
Conrad
Dorgan
Feinstein
Landrieu
Lincoln
Miller
Nelson
Wyden

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PVnRT

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:33 AM
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8. Well, at least Bayh didn't vote for it

Surprising, as the man has no spine anymore.

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gratuitous

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:33 AM
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10. Yup, Ron Wyden of Oregon

The man who cut his political teeth with the Gray Panthers, voted for this monstrosity. I tried to call his office yesterday, but the Washington line was busy and his Portland line ended in a full voice mail box. I'll try again today. My message will be simple: I thought that Oregon had at long last elected a Democratic Senator when Wyden won Packwood's vacated seat. It now appears that I was quite wrong.

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CMT

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:34 AM
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12. Wyden

that is surprising.

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_NorCal_D_

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Tue Nov-25-03 11:01 AM
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28. Indeed.

Very confusing.

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RobertSeattle

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:31 AM
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6. Those 8 GOP No votes may have been "safe" votes

Meaning they knew the bill was going to pass so they voted "No" to suck up to their conservative base.

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Skidmore

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:36 AM
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13. Since when do the Pub Borg unit worry about safe votes?

Apparently only Dems do. I just feel ill, disgusted, and embarrassed for this party right now. I may recover my good humor in a few days, but for now, I'm pretty disheartened. Keeerist, the Rs are on the floor already making the same noises about needing to pass the energy bill soon so your lights don't go out when you next flick the switch. Does this sound familiar? Just hand over war powers before the mushroom cloud forms...just pass HR-1 before you run out of your current prescription...

And our reps keep falling for it.

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Yupster

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Tue Nov-25-03 11:18 AM
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39. I think you're right Robert

If the Republican votes were needed, Bush would have gotten them.

However, that still doesn't excuse the Democrats because what they've done is given Bush the chance to call this the "bi-partisan" medcare reform bill. And honestly, with 11 Democratic votes, he has a right to call it that.

He'll have ads on TV saying that

"For eight years Democratic congresses and a Democratic president promised prescription drug benefits, but they were too partisan to deliver. (cue the music) But President Bush, working with both Democrats and Republicans was able to get a bill finally past helping our seniors. -- President Bush, a Uniter, not a Divider."

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creativelcro

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:34 AM
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11. Don't forget

that some of the republicans who voted NO, voted YES, yesterday when they COULD have blocked the bill. So, I think some of them, like Lott, voted NO today simply for show (so, in the worst case they can tell their constituents that they were against it, while in practice they guarenteed its passage). -CV

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1songbird

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Tue Nov-25-03 11:16 AM
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36. Thanks CV, you nailed it!

The Repugs played the Democrats like a fiddle. The Repugs made sure that the bill didn't die because the final closure vote on the Budget overage was 61 to 39. The bill could have died right on the Senate floor if those Repugs had voted with the majority Dems. They made damn sure that the bill was kept alive, however because they knew who would vote for it. It was a good strategy because after all how many people watch C-SPAN and know what really happened on the Senate floor. The Repugs will skate free on this one. Dems missed a great opportunity and now we're going to suffer the consequences.

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WhoCountsTheVotes

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:36 AM
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14. Any Dem who votes Yes for GOP Medicare should be boycotted

They should be voted out in the next primary - sounds to me like the Corporate Party is the one that made this vote, regardless of whether they are an R or a D.

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ElsewheresDaughter

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:36 AM
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15. well fuck me twice...shame on me...i'm outta here...dems in congress suck

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stewert

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:45 AM
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21. Vote Them Out of Office !

Edited on Tue Nov-25-03 10:48 AM by stewert

The democrats who voted yes should be thrown out of office in the next election. We
need to send these traitors a message, they were elected to represent the people. Yet
they sold out the people and voted against the party.

I plan to do a web page and call for these Senators to be voted out of office.

I just wrote Daschle and told him to resign too. He has betrayed the people and the
democratic party.

We need Dick Durbin to take over the minority leadership.

If your Senator is on the list write or call them and tell them how you feel. Lucky for
me my Senator is Dick Durbin, he is a real democrat who fights these bastards.

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1songbird

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Tue Nov-25-03 11:03 AM
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30. Durbin does rock.

He's not my Senator but I've emailed him to say thank you for the great job he's done.

I fully support your idea of doing a website. Let us check it out once its complete.

Thanks

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stewert

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Tue Nov-25-03 11:46 AM
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41. Website.........

I already have a website, it's called www.oreilly-sucks.com.

I have a politics page, I put it on that web page already.

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1songbird

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Tue Nov-25-03 12:07 PM
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42. Nice job! I've got your address and will be sending you a donation

Thanks.

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truthspeaker

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Tue Nov-25-03 11:26 AM
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40. instead of the next election

Let's focus on the primaries/caucuses. These Senators have given up the privilege of being the Dem nominee next time around. We need to find replacement candidates in their home states and help them raise money.

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MISSDem

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Tue Nov-25-03 01:44 PM
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50. Your Willie Nelson sent me thing makes me

think that maybe I will vote for K (love Willie and, all things being equal these days,
that is as good a reason as any to vote for someone).

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onecitizen

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:44 AM
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20. Lieberman and Kerry did not vote. nt

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ElsewheresDaughter

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Tue Nov-25-03 10:50 AM
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23. lieberman i can understand not voting.....but kerry WTF???

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spindoctor

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Tue Nov-25-03 11:08 AM
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32. KERRY DID NOT VOTE???!!!

Too busy debating? What the fuck?

Any Kerry supporter care to justify this?

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onecitizen

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Tue Nov-25-03 11:18 AM
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38. On Cspan there was a caption..........

on the bottom of the screen. It said Kerry and Lieberman did not vote. I assume they were talking about the Medicare bill because it had just passed. I have not gone to CSpan.org yet to check it out.

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Ugnmoose

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Tue Nov-25-03 11:12 AM
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34. Tell the DNC to go to hell

the next time they call asking for money. I tell them I will only send money to Howard Dean's campaign, Truthout, Moveon.org, DU, and a host of other activist organizations who are desperately trying to spread the truth and change the system. These sob's need to know that we are no longer going to fund their utter indifference to our wishes.

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raysr

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Tue Nov-25-03 12:15 PM
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43. Patty Murray-WA

Edited on Tue Nov-25-03 12:19 PM by raysr

She ran a local ad yesterday saying she was voting for, it was just those 11? Maybe she backed out. Yeah, Canwell and Murrary backed out. I wrote and called them and told them to remember how the war vote stuck.

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Tierra_y_Libertad

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Tue Nov-25-03 01:17 PM
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47. Murray

I called too, even tho' I hadn't seen the ad. Murray is a terrific senator and I would love to see Dean (or Clark) select her as a VP candidate.

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Terwilliger

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Tue Nov-25-03 12:17 PM
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44. It's like someone said the other night....

The pissing and moaning back and forth across the aisle is a sham. Dems and Reps are actually working together.

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raysr

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Tue Nov-25-03 12:21 PM
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46. Senators-Reps

These people need to be reminded constantly why they are there and WHO put them there.

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Nederland

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Tue Nov-25-03 01:32 PM
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48. The was not a partisan vote

There were people on both sides of the aisle that thought is was a good bill, and people on both sides that thought it was a bad bill (although for different reasons). Doesn't happen all the time, but its a lesson in learning that not everything fits neatly into the Democrat/Republican dichotomy.

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TacticalPeek

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Tue Nov-25-03 01:33 PM
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49. Oooommmph!

Sucker-punched again!

:mad:

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leftyandproud

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Tue Nov-25-03 03:49 PM
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51. bump

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KittyWampus

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Tue Nov-25-03 07:01 PM
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52. Sometimes It Hard Not To Be Frustrated

It woulda been nice if the Dems had hung together.

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Jacobin

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Tue Nov-25-03 07:05 PM
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53. Follow the money, honey.

Follow the money. Campaign contributions

And Fucking Kerry didn't even bother to vote. Nothing like having it both ways, huh, John????

Kinda like your IWR vote???

And now saying you were "mislead"?

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Myra

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Tue Nov-25-03 07:05 PM
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54. Exactly

If not for the traitorous Dems, we'd have
blocked medicare privatization.

Sort of underscores the problems in having
a one party system.

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