Dean just referred to Russia as the Soviet Union thrice

This will rank up there with Bush's 2000 foreign policy "quiz"...

where and what context?

He was answering a question about Iran's nuclear program and talked about Russia's role in aiding Iran and the need to engage it, but he mistakenly referred to it as the Soviet Union each time.

where and what context?

and a check of whether he actually even said it or whether he used the word "former" in the context.

This is an easy slip to make when your tired and campaigning overtime.

You got nuthin'


but BFEECLARK

In discussing russia suplying Iran with nuclear arms equipment. Just a mistake but the haters will grab onto it and howl about it.
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I mean, they wouldn't go so far as to start a whole seperate thread about it now, would they? :eyes:

Would it be considered a non-issue in your view?

and another incessant candidate basher is flushed.

Conduct a search. I am hardly a candidate basher.

in the Latin vernacular.

Is Shrub a Doctor? Come on, come up with better material next time.

in his last Meet The Press interview. I think that's where it was.

I made fun of him for it, and I'd probably do the same to Dean. Just for fun though.:)

It isn't a big deal REALLY! It's just a mistake. Things like that happen to everyone. It isn't as if he made a banner or something! LOL!

In discussing russia suplying Iran with nuclear arms equipment. Just a mistake but the haters will grab onto it and howl about it.
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Course he also refered the russia as the former soviet union earlier in the interview. It was a verbal gaffe. Shit happens

n/t

The truth is that Russia and all those 'stans would have considerable leverage with a country such as Iran.

And what time period was he discussing....

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It was on Hardball w/ Chris Matthews

Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=804726&mesg_id=804969&page=

If you don't like Clark, then don't vote for him--but to suggest that Clark supporters are liars is beyond the pale (and against DU rules).

get a life!

:eyes:

We all know if Bush made the same mistake we would have fifty threads about it posted in five minutes.

Trouble is they have absolutely no perspective about whether their guy is actually electable (doubtful), and if his policies really represents liberal Democratic values (I don't think so.
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Can anyone say "Astroturf" posting ?

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You're worried about how people would react if Bush said it? Shit, Bush could say black is white and no one would question him.

Tweety was doing his best to trip Dean up, and he goofed referring to the former Soviet Union.

The evidence does not support that it would have been all over the news if Bush said this. In the 2000 campaign, Bush said, '“By far, the vast majority ... goes to the people at the bottom.” The truth is that the bottom 60 percent got 14.7 percent. Gee, that’s a pretty significant misstatement, don’t you think?'


- From Al Franken's "Liars..."
The news didn't pick up on it then.

Personally, I don't think this is such a big deal. I often say USSR. Sometimes I catch myself, sometimes I don't. People over 40 lived in a world where the countries had different names (sounds like a U2 song).

Putin is ex-KGB and is strong arming people like the Soviet's did. I'm sure Dean made a mistake, but regardless of what Russia calls itself, the legacy of corruption, oppression, and crime of the Soviet Union still continues.

GO DEAN!

Russia or the Soviet Union. I believe that it includes 12 of the 15 republics.

sorry...but as been said in another thread....those of us who grew up at a time when the entire world could've blown up in 40 minutes...tend to slip into the usage of Soviets when we mean Russians...or Soviet Union when we mean Russia...

Just like I some times say Oakland Raiders when they are the Los Angeles...oh...wait a minute....now i'm confused.....

Get over it...you guys are really desperate when you attack crap like this....

I agreed with what he was attempting to say but we need to acknowledge that this will increase doubts about his ability to handle foreign policy/defense issues. This will hurt us if we nominate him. Does anyone think this will not be used be KKKarl Rove to smear Dean as untrustworthy in foreign affairs?

you can't be serious.

Do you think will not be used by the Rove propaganda machine?

I think you are correct about the youngins.

When from the moment I was cognizant of the world, the Soviet Union was THE boogeyman.

I sometimes have to let the Beatles tune play awhile in my head to remember it is now Russia.

Is a sad stretch. I can live with this kind of mistake as long as he can pronounce NUCLEAR.

I sometimes make the same mistake when discussing The former USSR.

Agreed ... If that's all some have to complain about.... Well there ya go ....

Isn't that what you're trying to suggest, that Dean is not aware that there isn't a Soviet Union? Leave it to a Clarkie.

This will further damage Dean's electability by providing a golden opportunity to smear Dean's ability to handle foreign affairs and defense issues.

How will Dean be smeared by this?

...over and over again. This will not kill his candidacy but it certainly will hurt it, although I will concede that the damage will be minimal.

:eyes:

Do you think Rove is going to run clips of someone misspeaking with all of the shit we have in the chimps videofiles? Think again.

n/t

when his "boss" can match every Dem's minor verbal gaffe with 100 of his own.

It's not the Soviet Union but it's not Russia either.

I've posted it three times now. Wouldn't want facts to get in the way of politics.

It has no political weight.

place of Russia alone. He could very well have meant those states as a group. Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, as well as Russia, could provide significant assistance.

Listening to him, I didn't get the feeling he meant only Russia. The former Soviet Union is not Russia, it's all 15 states combined. 12 of them are in the CIS.

I may have to get behind Mosley-Braun.

why are you undecided all the sudden?

you've been for everybody else so far :evilgrin:

Gee, you think Dean's activists will disavow this?

If the economy is getting better, the election will be about foreign policy. We're doomed if the nominee isn't Clark.

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But we would be better off if we nominated Clark, Kerry, Edwards, and even Liberman over Dean due to his perception as being weak on defense and his inexperience in foreign affairs.

Dean is definitely not ready for Prime Time. Dean managers should keep using the internet, written statements and TV ads to promote him.

I'm sticking with the Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders theory. :bounce:

This will help the perception of you having no foreign policy experience. Someone needs to inform Dean the Soviet Union is no more.


Dean needs to go back to being governor, he isn't presidential material.



I am getting more convinced Dean won't win the nomination, which is good news for the Dem party.

THAT gives him foreign policy experience. Yep. He actually said that. :eyes:

It was an unfortunate gaffe, not that I think it means a damn thing but it gives ammo to the Repubs if Dean gets the nomination. In fairness to Dean he was speaking of the commonwealth (that includes a bunch of 'Stans) so he wasn't confusing Russia with the Soviet Union. Just wish he had said former soviet states instead. I feel the same about Dean as I did before, I like the guy but I just think that he is a bad matchup for Bush in our current corrupt media run elections. Tonight kind of confirmed that feeling.
Scott

To recap: no knowledge of foreign affairs, a cult of "plain-spoken" personality unlike that hifalutin' Kerry or Gore, an undistinguished academic career with daddy's money, the highest smirk-per-minute of any Democratic candidate... sounds like we have a winner!

In fact many Russians feel it is worse. Could Dean have been speaking prophetically?

Contragulatios! Tell him what he's won, Don!

n/t

Goodness, it all looks similar to the Staroye Vremya to me!

but he had to give you guys SOMETHING to talk about. :)

Has anyone posted yet that Dean is "doomed", "finished" or "sinking fast" after this gaffe? Only a matter of time...

Glad to see that Dean had a nice, relaxed performance, was direct and well-received by the audience, and handled Matthew's neurotic interview style. Lots of smiling and laughing. Major improvement from his early TV appearances.

He acts sort of goofy and stubborn, but at the same time sort of like a blue collar straight talker-type. He has verbal slip-ups and seemingly struggles to finish a sentence, but at the same time has a core group of very fervent supporters.

He says he gets the same creepy feeling he gets from Bush.

well I'm getting ready for my winter vacation. First I'm heading to Constantinople, then I'll be in Leningrad a few days. :hi:

Do you really believe that the people will honestly be convinced that Dean doesn't know the difference between modern day Russia and the Soviet Union.

Kerry might use this because he's desperate and he he'll use every little thing to point out the fact Dean was never in the military.

Other than that, it's a minor mistake. Not a problem. Hell, I wasn't even aware of it until I saw this thread.

Remember, these people also think Saddam played a role in 9/11...

. . . you really think the sheeple are that well informed? go down to WalMart and ask 20 people where the Soviet Union is and see what they say. believe me, this "gaffe" does not compute.

Just having fun.

and worried about nuclear war every night at the hands of the Soviet Union/USSR/Russia--and who frequently makes this verbal slip himself---I have only one thing to say:

Most pathetic Dean bash EVER!

Some of you are great with critical comments that make me think on Dean issues and stances, but tiny crap like this and Kerry's hair make me realize that some people who are in politics are too stupid to breathe.

I'd be angry right now, except for the fact that your desperation and jealousy is showing for everyone else to see with this thread.

need to lighten up.

How many anti-Dean threads have I ever posted? Some of them act as if I bash Dean 24/7. :eyes:

I'm very "lightened up" right now. I'm laughing at you.

Most Pathetic Dean Bash EVER.

It's TOO funny. I used to think that some of you were actually a force to worry about, instead I see tonight that your attacks are so pathetic they're just laughable.

Rush would reject any of these bashes as being unusable they're so childish.

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Dean calls a country by a name that it's had during most of his life (that I happen to hear all the time from people over 30 years old)when giving answers on policy.

Bush can't answer a question about foreign leadership, guesses, and gives a totally wrong (and unconnected) answer.

Yeah, I can see how you can confuse the two as being similar.

:crazy:

Thanks for the laughs tonight. Your desperate sweat stinks to here.

If Shrub made the same mistake how would you react to it?

That already gives him a distinct advantage over the Warchimp when he was running.

NOT

22 June 1989
In a meeting in Moscow, Iranian President Hashemi-Rafsanjani, and Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev sign agreements that include cooperation in the nuclear field.
--"Moscow, Iran Sign Economic Pacts, Hint Future Arms Deals," Los Angeles Times, 22 June 1989; in Lexis-Nexis, <http://www.lexis-nexis.com>.

http://www.nti.org/e_research/e1_iran_nch_1989.html

there is ample evidence that the SOVIET UNION did provide nuclear technologies to iran just as it is true that the russian republic is continuing this.

there is also abundant evidence that ex-soviet/russian scientists have provided iran with black-market nuclear technologies.

this is what the nunn-luger act was supposed to stop, which, by the way, bush attempted to gut... and why to this day lugar considers bush an idiot

jumping on dean for using the term USSR instead of russia is so frigging anal, especially when the facts show that what he said was technically correct.

one of the reasons so many liberals disgust me is their completely fucking prissy habit of playing "gotcha'."

and pissing and moaning about dean's remarks is a trait of small minds.

BTW i am an al gore supporter, and i dont have a dog in this fight.

A prof was lecturing about the end of the Gold standard and one of the questions he asked the class was, "Which countries produce a lot of Gold?" He was hinting at why the US had no interest in going back to the Gold standard after world war 2 and up to today. I answed "South Africa and the Soviet Union" He said, "We call it Russia now" but I was right damn it! It was the Soviet Union that we didn't want to have such a huge amount of control over money. The decisions had been made when it was the Soviet Union. Unless Russia does some amazing shit soon, I doubt they will ever be as important as the USSR was. They might as well keep calling themselves the Soviet Union, it was the name under which they did their best work.

Do you have any concept how snot nosed and arrogant you sound? This kind of crap didn't work on Bush at all, similar attacks on foreign policy credentials didn't work on Clinton or Reagan either. People DON'T CARE! All that matters is they have the basic idea not whether they know the transportation geography of the CIS. Snap out of your opposition to Dean trance and see reality. I never saw much wrong with Bush's answers to those questions in 2000 because I didn't know either except for Pakistan.

Interesting terminology. No, it probably won't hurt him. But can't we have a little fun with it?

No, don't have fun with it because many on both sides take it far too literally.

shucks. But you're probably right from the looks of it.

Their solo careers have really sucked.

a return to the cold war. They are fish out of water with this middle east stuff.

The republicans already have their unending war fantasy enemy. It is called terror and is generally embodied in brown muslim men wearing turbans.

You do realize that in the TIME Dean was referring to the SOVIET UNION (not Russia which did not yet exist as we know it today) was dealing with Iran... don't you?

Just remember it isn't what you say but whether you own the press or not.

Dean should just call the station airing the transcription and have it changed to Russia. This is what Bush would do.

I mean he's WISHING the Soviet Empire was still around. That EVIL COMMUNIST!