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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 08:12 AM
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CSPAN Tuesday morning - religious funding of education
Getting into all sorts of issues of separation of church and state. Fundie callers are a hoot.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 08:15 AM
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1. What a stupid analogy
Taxpayers fund fire protection and can't simply deny it because it is providing religious education.
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 08:24 AM
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2. I liked that example too...lol
I can't stand listening to those callers..Whether for or against whatever I belive. All the mumbling and stuttering drive me nuts.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 08:27 AM
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3. Fundies are screaming 'discrimination'...
Edited on Tue Dec-02-03 08:28 AM by Q
...when the state won't fund their particular brand of craziness.

- A fundie calling in to say that the 'separation of church and state' appears nowhere in any 'official' documents and that our nation was founded on 'Christian principles'. This woman and most Ameicans must not have read the original drafts of the Founders.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:45 AM
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7. Don't underestimate this mindset.
They really do believe that there is nothing in the constitution that prevents the separation of church and state. I think Tucker Carlson even alluded to it years ago. I don't know how he feels about it now. Every now and again I see a spark of fear in his eyes because I think he knows that the right have gone too far.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 08:27 AM
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4. Another "good" caller
We were founded as a Christian nation and there's a concerted attack on anything that is white and Christian these days. She must have been from the KKK wing of the Republican Party.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 08:54 AM
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5. This specific case has nothing to do with Separation of Church and State
I just became familiar with the case five minutes ago, so there is a huge chance that I'm totally wrong on this one, but...

What is the difference between this guy wanting to be a minister as opposed to being an engineer or art major? I strongly support the separation between church and state but I just don't see how its relevant in this case.

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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:19 AM
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6. it is pulling even more $
from UNDERFUNDED schools. the repugs will take ANY chance NOT to fund the purposes FOR GREATER GOOD. and only want to fund THEMSELVES.
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:54 AM
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8. You're on the right track here.
The Reagan administration really began the strategy of massive deficits as a way of disabling funding for social programs. When OMB Director David Stockman admitted it out loud, he only made official what had been an open secret.

Since then, the right wing, which still trumpets itself as fiscally responsible, has revived this strategy with a vengeance. No Child Left Behind is a great example of programmatic underfunding of K-12 education, and of course the battle against higher learning never ended.

Once various publicly funded schools fail as planned, then privatization will be announced as the only possible cure and implemented. They're doing it with Medicare now. You'd better believe that the right wing will do it to anything they can.

They are not only funding themselves; they are funding their own grandchildren and future generations by making the American dream of class mobility impossible for those who aren't already in their club.
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