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RandomUser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 08:20 AM
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Jesse Jackson praises Clark, bashes Bush
Edited on Tue Dec-02-03 08:24 AM by RandomUser

Bush approach to AIDS fight wastes time, money

December 2, 2003

BY JESSE JACKSON

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Democrats and many Republicans have called for a larger effort. Ironically, it took a general -- Gen. Wesley Clark -- to put forth a truly bold program. Clark would double Bush's commitment and build upon World Health Organization programs rather than spurn them.

He sees this as a centerpiece of what he calls a ''preventive engagement policy'' to make America a source of hope in the world. Perhaps it takes a general, knowing the scope and the limits of our military strength, to deal aggressively with a disease of mass destruction.


http://www.suntimes.com/output/jesse/cst-edt-jesse02.html

I realize that many Dem candidates have come forth with plans, but Jesse Jackson has chosen to use Clark as the instrument to bash Bush.

(edited to add title of article)
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 08:26 AM
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1. But, but, but. . .
. . .I thought if his son supports Dean he will support Dean. <sarcasm>

Actually this is not an endorsement I think Jackson Sr. will not endorse anyone in the primary. However it will be funny to see how long it takes someone to say the Jesse Jackson is irrelevant. You see many people view either Jackson as irrelevant whenever either one of them stakes out a position that they don't agree with.

Shame on those who called Jesse Jr. irrelevant when he endorsed Dean and shame on those who will call Jesse Sr. irrelevant as a result of this.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 08:33 AM
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2. The HUGE elephant in the living room is whom Sharpton will endorse
assuming,as most of us do, that he won't get the nomination. Anyway, I believe it will be Clark, and that's going to start a firestorm within the other campaigns. If several prominant black leaders, but especially Sharpton, throw their support to Clark, and his nationwide broad based appeal keeps growing, he'll have the nomination sewn up IMO.
:kick:
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:16 AM
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7. Can you say Vieques?
I don't think so.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:29 AM
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14. Can you say Rangel?
:)
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:19 AM
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9. I think Sharpton has misunderstood Dean
Which is tragic. But Sharpton is a smart, intuitive guy and I think in the end, Dean will have his support. There are too many unknowns with Clark and I think that Sharpton is tired of the Clinton machine anyway.
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:25 AM
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11. I pray every day
you are right. :evilgrin:
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:41 AM
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19. A lot of NY Dems have made that same mistake
Sharpton has betrayed the Democrats in NY so many times that is is naive to assume he will come on board in 2004 with whoever the nominee is. I obviously don't think he would support Bush. But I can see him withholding his endorsement. (I even have a tiny fear of a third-party run).
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 12:56 PM
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27. HAHAHAHA!
Sharpton has betrayed the Democrats in NY so many times

Yeah, right! And after the Democrats in NY have been SO KIND to Sharpton. (Hint: You can't betray the people who want to hurt you)
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 08:36 AM
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3. do you have to try to turn every thread
into a mud pit?

Back in the day we use to have civil discussion around here. But quick, Clark got mentioned, make a post to poke others in the chest and incite a brawl.

I gotta wonder how the General would view the behavior of some of his own supporters, considering his own sterling behavior during the campaign. I gotta believe he'd shake his head in dismay.

Julie
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RandomUser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 08:51 AM
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4. Wndycty's discussion of the two Jacksons seemed balanced
Shame on those who called Jesse Jr. irrelevant when he endorsed Dean and shame on those who will call Jesse Sr. irrelevant as a result of this.

Seems balanced, don't you think, Julie?
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:25 AM
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12. I support Clark. . .
Edited on Tue Dec-02-03 09:30 AM by wndycty
. . .so anything I say EVEN WHEN I CONDEMN PEOPLE WHO DISSED JESSE JR FOR SUPPORTING DEAN, is viewed by some on the DU and who have posted in this thread as a slam on Dean. Their comments don't say a lot about me however they say a lot about the posters.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 10:33 AM
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21. I would say putting words in the mouths of others
is anything but fair and balanced. If one is so sure a statement will be made then wait for it and then comment. This pre-emptive nonsense is neo-con-esque.

Fair and balanced! Oy! Yeah, just like Faux.

Julie

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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:17 AM
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8. maybe not
maybe the general just stays behind the battle lines.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:29 AM
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15. that's a real smart-ass remark about a wounded combat veteran
a remark truly worthy of a punk with his head up his tight little ass.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 10:46 AM
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23. I concur ...
worthy of a liar that knows better, too.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:27 AM
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13. Let's be honest, J. Jackson is irrelevant
He brings important issues to light due to his fame and the media attention that surrounds him and that is a good thing, but at this time, that is the only purpose he serves. He lost my respect and the right to call himself a reverend when he fathered that child out of wedlock while still married. BTW, I'm speaking for myself only. But I really don't know any blacks who follow J. Jackson.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:35 AM
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16. Considering he has a weekly column in the Sun-Times
Someone thinks he is relevant and more importantly why should his relevance be limited to African Americans. Jesse Jackson is a leader who says a lot I agree with and a lot a disagree with, but he is not irrelevant.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:37 AM
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17. I guess what I meant was irrelevant as a leader
I don't think J. Jackson inspires people to act anymore. He did at one time, but not anymore.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 12:48 PM
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25. "He did at one time, but not anymore."
. . .and he will again.
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1songbird Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:52 AM
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20. You know the amount of disrespect that
Jesse receives is incredible. This is a man who worked side by side with the most influential civil rights leaders this country has ever seen. Jesse has been through the fire and we all need to remember that before we make statements about his relevance. Blacks may not hang on to every word that he says but he is relevant. Has he sinned? Yes, we all have. Being a Rev. does not make you perfect. There was only one perfect person that walked the face of the earth and he was crucified. Your contribution in life can not be determined by one single event or circumstance. It is the total cumulative of ones life and deeds that fairly define a person.
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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 02:47 AM
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34. Thank you 1songbird!!
For crying outside, if GOD can forgive, what's the matter with some people who drag around a bag of grudges?!! It's pathological!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 03:28 PM
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31. J. Jackson was the ONLY reason FL was close.
That's a fact.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 01:58 AM
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32. Kick
:kick:
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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 02:40 AM
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33. Huh'
Edited on Wed Dec-03-03 02:44 AM by Isome
Follow him where? Where's he going? I may want to go too!

What are you talking about? Many, many people believe in the Senior Jackson. If that's the kind of "following" him you're talking about, you're more wrong than two left shoes.

When he advocates things I agree with, I'm his biggest fan. When he doesn't, I'm his biggest defender. One man can't be all things to all of one kind of people. He's human, with all the human frailties of anyone else. His support isn't from being a clergyman, it's from being a civil rights activist.
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 08:55 AM
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5. Clark AIDS Policies
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:12 AM
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6. Thanks Rev. Jackson
I too see the plan as bold, because it puts the money into the organizations who will best put it to use. The big pharmas will also be put to the test, but I think if the plan is worked correctly, they will be forced on-board.

Clark's sell on this is the right approach. One of the reason I like the idea of a Calrk presidency, is his push for an International Aid Dept. He believes that we must spend dollar for dollar with the military, on doing "good" which is our real power in the world. (WMW) Just imagine all the people...living life in peace


(File under: only Nixon could go to China)
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:24 AM
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10. Good Will is a Strategic Asset
Why can't Republicans really understand that? Now I have been pegged as a bleeding heart liberal from time to time for thinking it is simply right to do good, but it goes far beyond simple charity to be seen as a positive force in the world by those outside our borders. It is better to have friends in the world than enemies. This isn't overly complex. Once upon a time we could "afford to be arrogant" when poor powerless people in underdeveloped nations died quietly. Now they are increasingly more inclined to set off a suicide vest and take some of us with them. Clark is right to frame his initiatve as a "preventive engagement policy". He has the vision, he has the answers, and he has the message to sell them with.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:38 AM
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18. Clark Was Shocked To Find Prevention So Absent In Civilian Health Care
Prevention is a cornerstone of his Health Policy.

Eat, exercise, laugh a bit each day and go for a check up once a year.... :)
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 12:49 PM
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26. It is nice to see our leaders supporting *all* of our candidates.
Edited on Tue Dec-02-03 12:50 PM by poskonig
Even if they have a favorite, it does us all a service if they refrain from bashing and doing the GOP's dirty work.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 01:36 PM
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29. This Is a GREAT Opinion Piece by Jesse!
In addition to being right on the issue, I'm thrilled he wrote so favorably about Clark!

DTH
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 03:24 PM
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30. Kick
:kick:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 03:04 AM
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35. Jesse Jackson is a
Fine man. He has been dogged and demonized for many years. In the black community, he is highly regarded. I belong to the biggest Church in Oakland, California. It is also Barbara Lee's church. My husband is assistant to the pastor. Jesse Jackson speaks there all the time, as does Al Sharpton. I think that Jesse Jackson sees a winner in General Clark. Tonight I had bible studies over my house. I got 22 email address, all wanting information on the General. These black folks don't even see why Jesse Jackson Jr. went for Dean...One guys said must be the bright lights and all of the flash. Dean will not fare well in the black community. One thing about black folks they want Bush gone. They know what type of opponent must go up against Bush to beat him, and it ain't Dean. We were actually laughing trying to figure out what it was in particular that he was offering. Sure, they heard of Dean. Who hasn't when the media is signing his name on a daily basis.
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