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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:05 PM
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Bush's lack of credibility amazes me
I was just struck how odd it is that the pilot-spotting-the-plane story is even being questioned. With any other president, would it be conceivable that something so stupid would be made up?

I don't remember who Clinton's equivalent of Karl Rove was. Was he/she seen the same way. What was the worst Clinton staged event, I guess it would most likely have occurred during the election for his second term. But whatever his worst fakery was, I bet Bush surpasses it every day.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:11 PM
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1. Live by the Bluff, die by the Puff
Edited on Tue Dec-02-03 07:11 PM by opihimoimoi
In Texas Hold um Poker, The Bluffer soon is parted with his money.

The Smirk is all BLUFF, photo Op, staged events, backdrops, etc etc creating false impressions. In other words, full of shit.

soon no one believes and thus the loss of respect/credibility.

Bush is full of it.

Doodoo that is
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:12 PM
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2. Bush's followers believe in...
...A Higher Truth, which gives him, and them, a license to lie about what are after all just details. If the Big Story is made more attractive to potential recruits by the sheer 'creativity' of the details, that's a good thing.

We're dealing with a theology here. You can't refute a theology with facts, and you don't advance one with facts.
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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:22 PM
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3. Ha!
I got into an argument with a right-winger on another forum, and when I mentioned Bush's lies, adding that they were proven, absolute lies, she said there can be no absolute truth because the universe is expanding (or contracting?). When I criticized her spelling (I kudn't help it - it was awfull), she said she was dyslexic - but she was still a "borderline genius." She added that she had been forced to study religion in skool.

Sheez!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 08:04 PM
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5. "there can be no absolute truth because the universe is expanding"
I love it! Now i can say or do whatever I want & use the "big bang" defense. Jeez honey, you can't absolutely say it was an affair, after all...
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sweettater Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:58 PM
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4. Wasn't Dee Dee Myers
Edited on Tue Dec-02-03 07:59 PM by sweettater
Clinton's chief of staff? She quit and I can not recall who took her place. Anyone? This karl rove dude is real ruthless a-hole. :evilfrown:
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:10 PM
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9. Dee Dee was his press secretary
Leon Panetta was BC's CoS.
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sweettater Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 04:54 AM
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11. I stand corrected.
Thanks! ;)
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 08:15 PM
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6. What lack of credibility?
This guy is another St. Ronald Reagan.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 08:23 PM
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7. Americans' desire to be led amazes me more
61% of the population likes the Unholy One* thanks to his cowardly caper photo-op in Iraq.

What's worse: Evil or supporters of evil? (not saying Bush is necessarily evil, but he sure is stupid...)
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 08:34 PM
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8. Those who go around
quoting other people, rarely have anything original or enlightening to say.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 02:52 AM
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10. It's kind of spooky, isn't it?
Edited on Wed Dec-03-03 02:55 AM by cliss
Scratch the surface, or look behind the thin veneer of "leadership", and you discover there's nothing there.

I had my "AHA" moment earlier this year, when I realized BogusBush had no ethics. After months of barking like a hyena about "going it alone", he next turns around and says about bringing in more countries to Iraq; "the more countries that are involved, the better".

I looked at him, and looked again. That's when I realized there was no one home. Bush was nothing more than a hologram, like the kind that R2-D2 played for the Luke Skywalker in Star Wars.

It was a really spooky feeling. I knew he was nothing more than a symbol for the real players behind the scenes.

It occurred to me that they really don't care what the man says. They couldn't give a rat's ass about a banner on a ship, or 'food on your family', or 'Saddam wouldn't let the inspectors in, so we had to get him out', on and on it goes. And the man keeps blabbering and putting his foot in his mouth, day after day.

I really don't think it bothers them that much. As long as it doesn't interfere with their plans.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 05:06 AM
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12. what amazes me is the use of the word MISLEAD
this is a "soft" term - haven't yet heard anyone come right out and say he LIED -mostly they tapdance around it, or use it as an excuse - as in "Bush was misled with the intelligence...."

MISLEAD
Main Entry: mis·lead
Pronunciation: "mis-'lEd
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): mis·led /-'led/; -lead·ing
Date: before 12th century
transitive senses : to lead in a wrong direction or into a mistaken action or belief often by deliberate deceit
intransitive senses : to lead astray
synonym see DECEIVE
- mis·lead·er noun
- mis·lead·ing·ly /-'lE-di-lE/ adverb

DECEIVE
Main Entry: de·ceive
Pronunciation: di-'sEv
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): de·ceived; de·ceiv·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French deceivre, from Latin decipere, from de- + capere to take -- more at HEAVE
Date: 13th century
transitive senses
1 archaic : ENSNARE
2 a obsolete : to be false to b archaic : to fail to fulfill
3 obsolete : CHEAT
4 : to cause to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid
5 archaic : to while away
intransitive senses : to practice deceit; also : to give a false impression <appearances can deceive>
- de·ceiv·er noun
- de·ceiv·ing·ly /-'sE-vi-lE/ adverb
synonyms DECEIVE, MISLEAD, DELUDE, BEGUILE mean to lead astray or frustrate usually by underhandedness. DECEIVE implies imposing a false idea or belief that causes ignorance, bewilderment, or helplessness <tried to deceive me about the cost>. MISLEAD implies a leading astray that may or may not be intentional <I was misled by the confusing sign>. DELUDE implies deceiving so thoroughly as to obscure the truth <we were deluded into thinking we were safe>. BEGUILE stresses the use of charm and persuasion in deceiving <was beguiled by false promises>.

LIE
Main Entry: 4lie
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English lige, lie, from Old English lyge; akin to Old High German lugI, Old English lEogan to lie
Date: before 12th century
1 a : an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker to be untrue with intent to deceive b : an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker
2 : something that misleads or deceives
3 : a charge of lying
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