Avenge Gore's Defeat (Elect NEWSOM)

We all know that it should be President Al Gore. It didn't happen for him for many reasons. A MAJOR reason was the Green Party candidacy of Ralph Nader. Since Nader's handing of the election to Bush, the Greens have ran candidates in swing districts--making an almost impossible task of winning back the House even more difficult.

What can we do about this? We can stop the Green Party in San Francisco. Gavin Newsom maybe a moderate Democrat, but he's no Republican or Republican-helper Green. His opponent, Green Matt Gonzolaez has a chance at winning.

If we can stop the Green Party in San Francisco, we can permanently get rid of it. If we don't, Matt will use his megaphone to promote his party and its irresponsible actions in national politics.

Please vote for Gavin Newsom if you live in San Francisco. And, if you don't, call your relatives that do live there, and tell them to vote for the only DEMOCRAT running for Mayor--Gavin Newsom. Don't forget to tell them that he's been endorsed by Al Gore.

what the good people of DU and San Fran think of Newsom here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=813163

let us continue with BAU by electing DINOs rather than actual progressives. :eyes:

I support Democrats and Liberals as a way of strategic voting/selling out. My personal views are closer to the Greens and NDP. I'm sure many DUers would say the same.

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I have now read the absolute silliest thread starter in my history at DU. You will live forever in the annals of pointless ,silly and irrelevent postings. Congrats buddy you made it big!

for an unpalatable Dem just to keep the crappier Republican out of office.

It's a chance to elect the most liberal guy in the field. Vote of Gonzalez. There's absolutely nothing to lose.

Gore can kiss my ass. If Bush hadn't been running in 2000, I probably would have voted for Nader.

Furthermore, I voted for that prick Gore, and I think I cared more about winning than he did.

Avenge 2000? Fuck him. I gave him my vote and he didn't have the courage to fight to have it counted.

oh man that is SOOOO fuckin stupid! LOL!

Is it any stupider than spiteful Greens voting Nader because they wanted to make sure Gore lost to Bush?

taking the mayor's office and, particularly, the soapbox it provides.

glad to know where you stand.

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So-called Dems who would rather vote Center-Right than Left.

But I doubt that you would be proud of what it says about your politics. One votes against rather than for? You brand yourself as a right winger by your own words.

Keep up your "progressive" ways, Rick :eyes:

Nader thought it would destroy the country (It has) and make people want to join the Green Party (It's hasn't). Basically all Nader did was forever brand his party as spoilers who help elect Repugs. It's a shame really, because a lot of Green's have the right idea in mind, but are forever tarnished by the 2000 election.

for daring to participate in democracy.

D.A.D. Strikes Again!

That's the difference... a good example is this SF mayoral race... there's no repug involved so go at it. Unfortunately, you get to deal with your sordid election of Bush in these types of elections... because of what happened.

when it's safe for Dems?

I should clarify that I'd support the Green in this case.

always good to see our Canadian friends here!

nice sentiment on a progressive board. Yes please get rid of a progressive party.

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TWL

Sometimes the truth simply hurts and the sentiment just can't be nice. I don't live in SF and am not up on its local political scene, but the Greens have got to go. They will NEVER be anything but a fringe group and they will NEVER do anything other than siphon off votes from Democrats.

The Green Party is doing nothing but pissing in the wind. When will its followers pull their heads out of their utopian dreamworlds and wake up and smell the FREAKIN' COFFEE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!?

you do not live in SF.

:bounce: Go Gonzales! :bounce:

across the board, not specifically SF. I read all the posts. I understand the inaccuracy that was communicated by the original author of this thread.

Shall we wear green stars or just go directly into camps?

Have a bipartisan day.

Good one. *l*

I think they'll make us wear our sunflowers, though, instead of stars. *g*

...proves just how deluded they are.

Do you not understand the democratic process? Do you seek a country wherein only the official party may offer a candidate? Do you seek to stifle any political ideology with which you do not personally believe? Lastly, but most importantly, do you not have the faith in your party or the courage to believe in their message that you must suppress a group who exercize their constitutional rights?

I'm absolutely sickened by what happened to our country since the chimp was selected. I do feel that Nader's candidacy did have something to do with the loss, but I don't see any reason to punish viable, honest, progressive Green candidates because I don't like Nader.

I think all Dems should vote for Gonzalez because he is the better candidate. I think that if we support real Democratic values, we should support third party candidates that reflect them. I think the goal should be to promote them where they can be found and where they may succeed in gaining influence.
If the Greens can make headway, and actually get a chance to affect policy from a position of power, and be taken seriously, there may be more effort from the public in general, and Dem leaders in specific, to take their input and and use it to form a message that all americans can see the benefits of.

I don't support Nader because I don't trust him, but if there was a legitimate, popular,possibly winning Green candidate in a major election, I would prefer them to a DINO.

n/t

In the real world Gonzales would BE a democrat and Loathsome,err excuse me, Newsom would be the republican candidate. By supporting Newsom you support big business,you support politicos who vote on legislation favorable to their own interest ( which Loathsom has done frequently) and you support a phoney who offers a plan to deal with the homeless that has been roundly criticised by almost everyone as heartless, meaningless, empty of funding and nothing but another political lie!

But of course it is worth it if it votes down a Green ,never mind that it puts the democrats in the worst possible light, again! Just like Bush gave a huge boost to the terrorists by invading Iraq( which he intended Im certain)those who thoughtlessly following of the neocon agenda give great boost to the Green Party.

If they win the mayoral race in a major city like San Francisco they'll start to raise more money and field stronger candidates in statewide races all across the country, especially in liberal states like CA, WA, OR, and HI. These candidates will all lose, obviously, but they'll siphon enough votes away from Democrats to allow the conservative Republicans to take complete control of government. We cannot let that happen.

But if you want to see the Republicans get filibuster proof majorities in Congress (which would make them absolutely unstoppable), and if you want to see four more years of Bush and Cheney then by all means, vote Green. Just don't bitch and complain when abortion is outlawed, gays are pushed back into the closet, and the oil/gas companies destroy the environment. It will be YOUR fault.

You ALWAYS want the most liberal politician to win.

It will pull the debate to the left.

If Democrats truly believe in liberalism, they'll win by losing this election.

When the most liberal candidate wins an election, it's the people at the far right of the political spectrum who lose the most.

Greens are a fledgling party of very little power and prominence, YET IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT!!

Is this simply a reinforcement of the notion that the Democratic party sucks eggs? They have no power to stop George Bush yet it's all the Green's fault.

Do you know how little sense that makes?

years from now, when the US has a Green President and you are foaming at the mouth the history books will say it all started with the SF mayoral race.........:+

By the by, the GOP is already in control of the three branches of federal government or are you so busy hating the left that you failed to note that fact?

Why, I wonder, are you so phobic about the message that the Greens might deliver to your fellow americans?

I think the Green Party is vital at the local and state level for advancing progressive and environmentally-friendly causes, as well as for breaking the two-party lock on our system. I agree Nader made a huge mistake in 2000 and is making a bigger one now, but that doesn't mean the whole party is bad.

He's an outstanding young candidate (one of the best in years) and has been endorsed by Al Gore, Dianne Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi and countless other Democratic officials from across California.

Instead of just sitting around, smoking pot and whining about the "establishment" and the "rich" like the lazy, delusional Greens, Gavin Newsom has offered REAL solutions to San Francisco's problems, especially the shameful homeless problem that will only get worse if a loon like Gonzalez gets elected.

I can easily see Newsom serving as U.S. Senator or Governor (or higher) someday, but to get there he'll need your support next week. So get out and vote!

What's so outstanding about him?

"Instead of just sitting around, smoking pot and whining about the "establishment" and the "rich" like the lazy, delusional Greens,..."

Willie Horton, anyone?

I didn't like him before he played he race card. Now there's no way I want that slimeball in charge.

how do you account for your delusional concepts of Newsom and the Greens?

Your beloved candidate has voted on legislation that directly affected his business interests. Ill bet you cannot post a single one of Newsoms "real" solutions. Perhaps you'd like to use his Care Not Cash fiasco as such a real solution. A program that does noone any good, a program filled only with unattainable solutions ytha t do not help the homeless and has no funding within it. yet you call Gonzales a loon, a statement which says far,far more about you than it does about Matt.

I ,too ,can see this republican in democratic clothes as a senator, a corrupt and smarmy one to be certain.

.... I don't have a problem with the Greens. I just have a problem with Ralph liar in-it-for-me unsafe-with-one-vote punk-ass Nader.

But I don't live in beautiful San Fran anyway so whatever. :)

Because I think the Green Party and their supporters are a big pain in the rear end. But, if people really are disillusioned with the Democratic Party for being too conservative, they wouldn't go off to a fringe-left party.

By doing that, the Greens are telling us the truth (we won't get their votes because they aren't holy enough for them). So since we won't get 3-7% of our vote, we're going to be forced to look elsewhere for votes--to the right and to rural areas.

Because of Greens, candidates like Joe Lieberman, John Edwards, Wes Clark, and John Kerry have a better chance of winning. Because of the Greens many stalwart liberal issues (like the School of the Americas, like Veicas, like corporate reform, et. al.) will be ignored. The Green Party is systematically destroying the liberal cause in America.

I'm more of a moderate, so I don't care. I'll be happier in a moderate party than in a party where I have to deal with naive idealists. But I also like to win: unless the Greens wake up, it's going to be a bad 50 years.

So my name is Mike Guss I'm a DEMOCRAT. And I'm running for office. I frankly don't care if the Greens vote for me.

you are certainly no moderate, it just shows how far the center has been pushed to the right for this deluded politico to think himself
a moderate.

Do you know ANYTHING AT ALL about the Green Party platform? I doubt it from your vicious and fallacious characterisation of it.Far from destroying the liberal cause in this nation the Greens are the last best hope for it.

believe in decentralization ala Newt Gingrcih:

5. DECENTRALIZATION
Centralization of wealth and power contributes to social and economic injustice, environmental destruction, and militarization. Therefore, we support a restructuring of social, political and economic institutions away from a system which is controlled by and mostly benefits the powerful few, to a democratic, less bureaucratic system. Decision-making should, as much as possible, remain at the individual and local level, while assuring that civil rights are protected for all citizens.

And on not dealing with the fact that it's a violent world, and therefore nation's need a military:

4. NON-VIOLENCE
It is essential that we develop effective alternatives to society’s current patterns of violence. We will work to demilitarize, and eliminate weapons of mass destruction, without being naive about the intentions of other governments. We recognize the need for self-defense and the defense of others who are in helpless situations. We promote non-violent methods to oppose practices and policies with which we disagree, and will guide our actions toward lasting personal, community and global peace.

As for Newsom here are two good programs:

Care not cash--discourages reckless behavior by the homeless, and gives them the help that they need, but probably won't get with cash. One time I stepped off a Ferry in S.F. to be greeted by a guy high on heroin. Some other passenger on the Ferry gave him 5 bucks. I know that wasn't used for a meal.


Newsom also wants to improve care for ailing seniors. This is an issue I care deeply about. We owe our parents and grandparents good treatment in the twilight of life.

http://www.gavinnewsom.com/pdfs/seniorspb.pdf

What does Matt have to say about this: apparently he, like Nixon, has a "plan."

On the Board of Supervisors Matt has worked to reform City Hall and return power to the neighborhoods. Unlike his opponent, Matt has supported reform of the Police Department, the Housing Authority, the Planning Department, and the Elections Department and authored legislation protecting seniors from eviction. His leadership on the environment, housing, and tenants rights has earned him the endorsement of the Sierra Club, the League of Conservation Voters, the Tenants Union, and former Mayor Art Agnos (From http://www.mattgonzalez.com/).

Newsom is clearly better prepared to lead San Francisco.

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