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Marines for Clark Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:22 PM
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Clark running as Independent
If Clark doesn't get the Democratic ticket would you consider Clark run as a Independent?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:23 PM
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1. No...
NO third party candidates. MUST vote Dem.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:23 PM
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2. Oh yeah, that would be good.
How many other ways would you like to split the vote?

REally like Bush, do you?

Kanary
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:23 PM
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3. absolutely not
and he would not run as an independent.

He'd probably go back to his day job, teach for a while and then try to become a golf pro at some course or other.
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alexwcovington Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:24 PM
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No... nooooo!
Please oh please do not split the ticket -- please!!! Clark would be absolutely perfect as VP if one of the other guys win.
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bookman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:24 PM
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4. That would be a mistake.
We need one candidate. We go through the primaries and come out supporting the winner.

I have favorites, but beating Bush trumps anything.
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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:24 PM
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5. NO!
:argh:
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:24 PM
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6. That would be a really stupid move on Clarks part.
Hell, he just decided to become a democrat in September......
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:25 PM
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9. bzzzzzzzzt! Wrong!
Edited on Wed Dec-03-03 10:26 PM by wyldwolf
Got proof of that?
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:30 PM
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15. For the entire summer, he was waxing and waning on which party he
was from. If memory serves me correctly, after he anounced his democratic presidential candidacy he had to go back to Arkansas and register as a democrat.

He was also plugging for republicans post 9-11. He was on video at the Arkansas RNC Convention......Praising Powell, scrub and the gang.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:37 PM
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21. Not quite...
He was deciding whether to run for President over the summer but, as most career military people do, he wouldn't reveal his party affiliation.

Also, in some states, you don't actually register a party affiliation.

As for Arkansas, he was registered as an independent because he was military - country before party.

On an NPR interview this week, he revealed he started thinking as a Democrat in '92. Voted Clinton twice, Gore once, and campaigned for a host of dems in the '02 elections.

He spoke at a republican fundraiser as a favor to someone.

Several candidates have "praised" Powell and the gang.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:41 PM
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24. Clark finally files paperwork for registration as Democrat
Wesley Clark officially became a Democrat yesterday, nearly three weeks after announcing his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination.
The campaign of Mr. Clark, whose fealty was questioned by some party members, filed the candidate's signed affidavit at the Pulaski County, Ark., elections office to change his voter registration from unaffiliated to Democrat.
"We've had the papers on his desk, filled out and ready to go, for some time," campaign spokeswoman Kym Spell said yesterday. "But he has been busy, and he hadn't even been to town for some time until this weekend."
Last week it was discovered that Mr. Clark had declared no party affiliation in his December 2001 renewal for his voter registration, despite saying in a Sept. 27 interview that he had filed the paperwork to become a Democrat.

<snip>

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20031006-101700-9310r.htm

But you already knew that... Now for the spin.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:43 PM
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25. WOW! I live in a state full of democrats...
..but the funny thing is - none are "registered" because the state doesn't do it that way.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:50 PM
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42. He had not ruled out running as a
republican as late as last July. (Warning: this comes from Newsmax, but it is a transcript of a TV interview I believe.)

HANNITY: All right, I want a straight answer. I was watching you on Russert a couple of Sundays ago. You clearly are moving in the direction of running for president, correct?

CLARK: Well, I am certainly considering it.

HANNITY: Yes, and you would not run as a Republican under any circumstances you can think of?

CLARK: I haven't said that.

HANNITY: Would you?

CLARK: I just haven't said that. I just haven't crossed that bridge. So I'm not going to cross it.

http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/7/2/102033
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:24 PM
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7. I wouldn't..........
and I like Clark. He's number two for me. But no, I'll only vote for a Dem.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:26 PM
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12. Not to worry. Clark will win this.
or he'll be on the ticket.
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:49 PM
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26. You mean he'll be the........
candidate or VP choice? I was thinking today about that. My first choice is still Dean. But I think Dean and Clark have had a falling out which made me think Dean wouldn't ask him to be his VP or vice versa. I still think Clark/Dean or Dean/Clark would be awesome.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:54 PM
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29. Tickets are picked out of political convenience...
Edited on Wed Dec-03-03 10:56 PM by wyldwolf
.."friendship" is usually secondary - at least that is what I have gathered from various presidential tickets.

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:02 PM
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33. That's my take too.They know getting into this all is fair in love and war
There really have been no surprises so far. I think they all know how dangerous the Chimp is and know the goal is to get that crackhead packing back to his pig farm in Waco before he does something REAL stupid that can't be reversed.

Don

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:25 PM
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8. No. I would not. I am a large "D" Democrat. Have been my whole life n/t
Edited on Wed Dec-03-03 10:56 PM by NNN0LHI
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:25 PM
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10. How many Marines support Democrats anyway? What %?a guesstimate will do.
Edited on Wed Dec-03-03 10:44 PM by oasis
In response to your question: Clark has just recently declared himself a democrat. How do you suppose it would look if he switched to independent?

For Clark,it's all about the good of the country, and he would never enable Bush to win by splitting up votes for the other major party.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:26 PM
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11. No
Clark has stated he we not run as an independent. I believe Clark wants to defeat Bush. He does not want an ego trip run
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:27 PM
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13. Clark won't run as an independent.
Running against your party's nominee is for people who are more interested in running their mouths than running a country. That doesn't strike me as Clark's style. If he's not on the ticket, I expect him to focus on national service-type initiatives, doing speaking engagement/pundit/book work.
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:33 PM
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18. national service-type initiatives?
you mean like sitting on the BOD of Axciom Corp.?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:30 PM
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14. Clark Wouldn't Do It -PERIOD
And I'm not sure why you are posting this question.

What is your motive?
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:31 PM
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16. Sadly - - No
As strongly as I feel about General Clark I will still vote for my party's candidate. It is more important that Bush be dethroned than it is that my preference in candidate be the one to do it.

Thom
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chaumont58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:33 PM
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Kinda like a four star Nader?
Really think that would happen?
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Field Of Dreams Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:33 PM
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17. No ... as much as I like Clark
That would mean 4 more years of G-Dub.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:34 PM
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19. No *nm*
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:37 PM
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20. No, as much as I adore the General,
getting our current unelected fascist government O-U-T is of utmost importance.
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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:39 PM
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22. The Only Way......
an Independent will statd a chance of winning the presidency would be after the USA is nuked and there are a couple of thousand or so voters left in the country who just might be swayed into thinking the other two parties were not such a good thing!
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:40 PM
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23. What would you do Marines for Clark? I would really like to know n/t
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Marines for Clark Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:51 PM
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27. replay
I would want for Clark to win because of the support he is getting in the military and how much I admire this person. In the last 20 years I have not seen so much support in the Military for Democrat cand. like waht Clark is getting. Some personal are afraid of Bush and his policies but they want someone strong in Defense. In my opinon my vote is for Clark and maybe for Kerry it might change from now till November because I don't trust Bush at all. I have been asked by so many if Clark doesn't get the ticket if she run as Independent by fellow Marines and Army buddies.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:56 PM
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30. Thank you very much for your answer. And it does make sense
I think when it is all over, Clark will be on the ticket somewhere. Whether he would take the VP slot if needed, I think he would.

Don

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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:59 PM
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32. Dean/Clark Is That The Tix?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:53 PM
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28. Interesting question
just imagining how such a race might come down. But the truth is, Clark has said he will work to get the nominee elected if its not him, so there's no need to ask the question.
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:56 PM
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31. As an enthusiastic Clark Supporter: NO
That would be madness. There has been absolutely no indication of this--whatever.

It would put Clark in Nader territory (that is, somewhere near the lowest rung of hell).

Won't happen. Useless myth. Stop propagating it.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:05 PM
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34. Clark has already "no" to running as independent
Now I know from your past posts that you have been looking at the electoral maps, so have I. In order to win, we must take something that is now colored red. Personally, I think Clark has a very good chance of doing that, both in the midwest and the west. My friends from Arkansas swears that he will take that state. Good.

NC will split its votes this time. I believe that's where you are. An analysis of the vote by one of those people who sit around doing this sort of thing, said that a shift of 10% of the military vote would move 6 states from red to blue. What are Clark's chances from your perspective?

I think Clark is the one, if you do too, I suggest that it means boots on the ground...boots on the ground...boots on the ground. I'm there.

BTW, it is not just our foreign policy that will take a 180, it is also our corporate policy. Clark has said that he will send a series of bills to the congress with the purpose of closing one corporate loophole at a time. No bs, just an up or down vote. It will mean congress will be on the hotseat, it's either the people of America or some lobbyist. I love the thought of that.

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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:05 PM
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35. Don't think that is possible....
The one issue that Dean must address is the one of rolling back the entire Bush TAX cut and raising taxes on the middle class. This one issue alone will propel Clark to the top of the ticket in the heartland. The is no escaping this period. So I would'nt worry about Clark not getting the nomination unless Dean switches gears on this issue and soon. Nope, I see a Clark/Dean ticket unless Dean somehow manages to piss Clark off before the primaries.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:18 PM
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37. That could be a killer. It won't play well in Peoria.
I wish Dean would reconsider this position. He may be right on the issue, but I would rather see Bush get his ass kicked backed to Waco next year. I don't really care who whoops him.

Don

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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:14 PM
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36. I don't think it's Clark we have to worry about...
I think Dr. Dean WOULD run as an independent, because he's amassed a huge following and gotten used to the press. I believe he'd try and take his clients with him, so to speak. It's worrisome.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:21 PM
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38. He said he would support the Dem nominee if it is not him
I take him at his word on this.

Don

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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:23 PM
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39. OK then
Last I heard he skirted the issue but if you say he didn't then I believe you. Clark puts country above all else he would so NOT run as an independent.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:32 PM
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40. Against Bush & Dean, the Ivy league ex-drunks? Yes!
Clark could run against both party's.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 12:16 AM
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46. I don't believe it. Guess we can agree to disagree? n/t
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 12:14 AM
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45. I heard Dean asked straight up what he would do in an interview...
...several months ago. He answered that he would support the Dem candidate whoever it was. Unless something has changed since then that I don't know about, I believe he would keep his word. Dean seems like a man of honor to me.

Don

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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:35 PM
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41. NO. n/t
Edited on Wed Dec-03-03 11:38 PM by Zorra
Swell. How about a Nader/Clark ticket, or vice versa?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:52 PM
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43. Please don't
start these kind of threads! as of my answer: HELL NO!
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:56 PM
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44. Hell no
Nor would he run. Absurd.
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