Republicans want Dean to win Nomination

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=106&ncid=742&e=3&u=/nypost/20031204/cm_nypost/goptriestoboostdeanbyburyinghim

GOP TRIES TO BOOST DEAN BY BURYING HIM
Thu Dec 4, 4:05 AM ET Add Op/Ed - New York Post to My Yahoo!


By DEBORAH ORIN

HOWARD DEAN and Republicans share one big dream - to see Dean become the Democratic 2004 presidential nominee.

It's fascinating to watch Republicans do their best to boost Dean.


Take the Republican National Committee (news - web sites)'s decision to run a TV ad in Iowa that paints Democrats as undermining President Bush (news - web sites) in the war on terror. It says, "Some are now attacking the president for attacking the terrorists."


Antiwar, anti-Bush anger boosted Dean to the top of the Democratic pack and a pro-war Republican ad is sure to infuriate and energize Dean fans - and focus political debate on the very issue that helps Dean the most.


"It's very smart - every time they pick fights with Dean, it just serves to elevate him in the Democratic race," says a Republican strategist. "It's good for both of them. Both sides want a Dean-Bush race."


Why? Because polls suggest Dean would be pretty close to the weakest Dem against Bush and he offers the sharpest contrast in ideology and personal style.


So this week Republican National Committee chairman Ed Gillespie went to Dean's home state of Vermont to zing him, then did it again last night in politically potent New Hampshire - and he hit Dean harder than any other Dem has.


Republicans are trying to cleverly take advantage of the surprise dynamic of the race - attacking Dean just reinforces his support. And since Dean fans hate, hate, hate Bush, they love Dean even more when Bush allies attack him.
(more)

And you have had at least one post locked earlier because of its inflammatory content earlier this morning.

Sorry if you can't handle it.

And if you can't handle the truth that editorial pieces belong in the editorial forum, then I'M sorry.

Mind your manners.

Don't shoot the messenger.

Just because they are not enforced does not make them any less clear.

This is clearly an op/ed piece. Stating fact is news, conclusions based on an interpretation of those facts are opinions.

You DO realize that this "reverse psychology" claim can go on forever, don't you?

They don't want to face him...yes they do, so they'll pretend they don't...no they don't, so they'll pretend they don't, which makes some people think they really do...yes they do, so they'll pretend they don't, which makes some people think they do, so some other people think they really don't....and on and on and on....

Tell me your kidding.....

Actually, this is being over analyized way, way too much.

Then when he gets nominated, they're going to skewer him in front of everybody.

That he has responsive supporters?

What matters is they must have something on Dean they are waiting to release if he gets the nomination.

Cripes, Dean supporters are so defensive.

It's not like he's Jesus Christ and Superman rolled up into one.

"they must have something on Dean"

And you believe this why?

Because, why would they want him to win unless it was some kind of set up?


Maybe I don't follow logic correctly, but you usually don't support your opposition.

What "opposition" is supporting Dean? Show me something that substantiates your assumption.

And I friggin' hate Debbie!

what it shows is that the RNC are so overconfident and out of touch with this country.

Dictators often fall because they are overconfident: They start to believe their own propaganda.

The Bushies sure look like they did that on Iraq.

It seems pretty clear that it's true in this case too. If they really believe this, all the better for us. They'll be feeling less desperate and might actually allow the election to proceed in the false belief that they will sweep it.

On edit: see this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=822035&mesg_id=822035

they are trying to help Dean by attacking him?

this takes spin to a new level.

Lookie here, they claim, we are attacking you because we want you to win. So, you see, they single out the target that poses the greatest threat, and then attempt to diffuse the target by claiming they embrace the opportunity to go head to head with their chosen opponent.

One doesn't need to be a genuis to figure out the scam. I hope.

:-)

that the pugs want Dean. Rove says it, pug strategists say it, FReepers say it and send money to his campaign. Swing voters won't vote for Dean nor will pugs who are digusted with shrubby. So what to the Dems do? Nominate Dean.

everything else they say is a lie, but this you believe?

if it is such a problem for you. Obviously you fall for their line, and it is what keeps all the little people in line. Everytime.

that's why a Dean nod scare's me to death. A Dean run against shrub will be a another loser for Dems cause many will sit out the general election. I'd have to force myself to the voting booth to cast a vote for Dean or Lieberman. A vote for Dean is a vote for the NRA and both Dean and Libermans are conservatives.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

Dean has raised more money in a single quarter than any other democratic candidate ever -- ever, including Bill CLinton.

He has the widest geographical support of any democratic candidate, receiving contributions from 6,000 zip codes (to Clark's 1,698, for comparrison).

He has half a million supporters signed up over the Internet, more than any other candidate.

He has over 150,000 grassroots voluteers attending Meetups, more than all the democratic candidates AND George Bush COMBINED.

AND YET, combine a few few keystrokes with your Chicken Little fear and you come to the completely unsubstantiated conclusion that "Many will sit out the general election."

It is the other candidates who have to worry about whether Dean supporters will vote for them. That is why you see so much focus on Dean bashing and orchestrated attempts at Dean supporter conversions.

I don't know whos side some of you guys are on.

So now it's, "anyone but dean"? :wtf:

The republicans are itching to run vs. Dean. The civil unions, the weak on national security, the "hot-headed" perception of Dean, it goes on and on what the GOP could do.

I'm trying to be nice. IF - great BIG "IF" he is the Dem nominee, they will go after him with this too. The man has a lot of baggage that his supporters don't want to face.

I read that Dean's manager is considering doing this, the political heat is getting a little hot.

Release those records, and Dean gains a notch in my book.

Stand up to Rove and Bush for a change, for Christ's sake!

This can be SO EASILY turned back on Bush in a way America understands...Bush sealed every little detail about his life and his Poppy's. Dean needs to look America in the eye and tell them that. Explain it to them. Then say, again..."I'll open mine if you open yours." And stick to the damn positiion. STOP GIVING IN!

they would do to him? Mr. "Socialized medicine" Mr. "All should be required to join a union" Mr. "Tax-raiser" and finally Mr. "loser"

The Republicans will try to crucify all of our candidates. Why single out Dean?

how the republicans want Dean to be the nominee.

So I commented on that.

About Gephardt, yes, the GOP will do some of the same things, but I don't think he is as vulnerable as Dean would be.

One reason is because Gephardt has strong labor ties, and he is from an important area of the country in terms of electoral college, the mid-west. And Missouri is a key state. Dean is from a tiny state in New England that is not important like the mid-west states are.

but why am I not surprised to see you playing GOP water-carrier?

I marvel at how easily some DUers are convinced by reich-wing lies. Not to mention how many propagate them.

Julie

but then some of the Senators running believed the nonsense of the imminent threat from Iraq as well.

TrueAmerican only has to point out that Dean is vulnerable to Republican smears on a few issues and you take that as proof that True must be a Republican supporter?

Jeeze Louise, Nelson, do you even understand why McCarthyism was wrong? (Hint: it's not because McCarthy was a Republican.)

that you would think that Repubs are only going to attack Dean. Like whoever you want to win isn't going to have issues. This is politics, we see it every four years. Come on. Like they are going to be nice to "anyone".

the repubs created an attack out of thin air.

Gore is a liar? Gore re-invents himself?

Reality doesn't matter, but the ability of the Democratic nominee to respond does matter. Dean will take care of business.

I've seen plenty of Dems play GOP water-carrier. Where ya been?

And I am wondering, is there a Dem candidate who isn't vulnerable to neo-con smears??

Implying I am a special kind of stupid....more projecting from the Dean Haterz, how amusing.

Julie

Dean has them scared sh*tless.

They don't fear Dean. Please re-read the article.

I really don't think that it is going to matter who runs against Bush because as long as the media is on his side, and they certainly haven't let up, he will cruise to re-election, sadly.

I want to say that things will be different, but unfortunately, they will have to get worse before they get better and if the press is still not reporting objectively or simply not reporting, most people won't know any better.

Just a gut feeling. They want him for a reason. He can be easily torpedoed by some old sex scandal (docs are funny people), college drug use or something that really doesn't matter at all, but resonates throughout the aisles of Wal Mart.

How 'bout coke? Sexual harassment? Corporate corruption? Lies on Iraq? The Wilson leak?

awol charges or drug charges against Dean, given what we know about youthfull indescretions.
The GOP wants to win. They think that they can easily beat Sharpton, Braun, Kucinich, and Dean. Hell, they probably think that they can't lose. Dean is the only one that might get the nod to run, so they hype up his issues.
Dean is also the only one with "legs" in this campaign. He has defined himself as a contrast to Bush, the least of the Bush lites (with Braun, Kucinich, and Sharpton as the only people outside of the lifelong ruling class group).
Rove looks stronger in the eyes of the gop supporters if he roots for (and is willing to take on) the one who looks the most different from Bush (but is still ruling class ~ Bush Lite). Rove would look silly conceeding that he really wants Al Sharpton to win.
Rove can't really say that he wants Clark. Both Bush and Clark are war heros (again, in the insane gop rewrite). Rooting for Clark would bring up Bush's sevice record. Rove would gain zero.
I contend that the Dems will not pick up any state in 2004 that they didn't win in 2000, except perhaps Ohio. Dean has the orgainization to GOTV in crucial states. That is why he is my choice. (perhaps this is why Rove likes him as well - the gop machine is better than all the dem camps combined. they can out work us with their money.)

don't matter when aaahnuld or rush pig-boy is involved - only when a dem is involved do they matter. did i ever say pretentious hypocrisy is the Hallmark of Republicans?

;)

I guess that Kucinich, Sharpton, and CMB aren't even on the map.

KKKarl Rove and his kind were (may still be) pumping Dean. They started building Dean up in the summer. They were also logging on to Dean's website and giving $$$.

Republicans are already voting with their wallets for Howard Dean, logging on to Dean's official Web Site and donating various sums of cash to the left wing candidate's primary campaign. They want Dean to win the Democrat primary. The real question now emerges. Will rank and file Republicans cross over and vote in the Democrat Primary elections to help get Dean the nomination? More at link below:

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_6309.shtml

Now they are saying that they are scared of Dean. He's now considered a threat to Bush.

Check this...

All the top-tier Democratic challengers can beat Bush, but Dean poses the biggest threat. Republicans once hoped Dean would get the nomination to run against Bush. No longer. As Dean continues to gain support and break fund-raising records by drawing on 100,000s of supporters, the Bush brain-trust (Karl Rove) and the pro-Bush media have changed their minds. More at link below:

http://www.apj.us/20031114Hersh.html

I wish the ReThuglicans would QUIT MESSING IN OUR PRIMARY ELECTIONS. So, now they are trying to flip the script because we caught on. Make it sound like they are afraid of Dean so that will pump up support.

I guess the lesson from this story is that we should just play our game and forget about the BS.

You'll love this! The pix of KKKarl @ Deans parade in July/03 http://www.sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/1624957.php

I know who the real threat to Bush is. It is Wesley Clark. Why else would they have him pulled from CNN. Why else would they put a media blackout on Clark's campaign? Why else would they be making sure that the media play all Dean all the time?

Back, and to the left. Back, and to the left. Back, and to the left.

Are they going to exhibit fear? Of course not, they are going to play the game of reverse psychology to make it appear that they are looking forward to thrashing him.

You seemed to buy it all, but then your agenda is to destroy Dean as well, so what can anyone expect.

I want Dean and I am going to vote for him!

Face it, in my 28 years of voting I have seen us Democrats sell out to the corporations in the hope of getting their bucks. Now is the time if there ever was to stand up and be who we are.

Restore the Bill of Rights that the bush junta has plowed over.
Women have the right to decide what to do inside their own body.
If two people want to be together for life it is their decision- not the governments.
Guns KILL, get them out of our cities.

And Balance the budget, the repuks are the biggest spenders EVER!

Sure... Just how gullible do you think we are? Here you come with a low post count, portraying yourself as a life-long democrat, pretending Dean is the ideal candidate. We see right through that. There isn't any real grassroots support for Dean, just republican plants working their asses off to get Dean nominated and your post is PROFF POSITIVE! </sarcasm>

Back, and to the left. Back, and to the left. Back, and to the left.

This is flamebait.


DU Moderator