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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:15 PM
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Conason:Why is the State Department silencing Clark?
     
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In a gross abuse of authority for political gain, the State Department has insisted that Clark's scheduled testimony against Milosevic be closed to press.



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Dec. 4, 2003  | 
Among the topics most passionately argued by Democratic presidential candidates and their handlers is who among them would be the nominee most (or least) favored by Karl Rove. Which Democrat does the White House prefer to see win the nomination? And which of the nine is most feared as a potential challenger?

Lately Howard Dean is most often mentioned by Republicans as their favorite Democratic nominee (although they probably daydream about Al Sharpton). Dean's supporters reply that such trash talk is merely Rovian misdirection, designed to dupe primary voters into rejecting the former Vermont governor. Perhaps so, but this month the Bush administration is actually using its power to suppress news coverage of another Democratic rival.


That would be Wesley Clark, whose scheduled testimony against Slobodan Milosevic at the former Serbian dictator's genocide trial will reportedly be closed to the press and public -- at the insistence of the U.S. State Department.
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:19 PM
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1. So what choice do you really have
but to take Clark at his word on what he says happened (assuming he can say anything at all)?
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:21 PM
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2. Well that's the whole point
With the proceedings sealed, Clark will be in an untenable situation commenting on what he said at all. So Karl Rove gets who he wants to run against, presumably. (Befoer the flames, let me say that Dean is probably a stronger candidate than Karl Rove gives him credit for being).

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:23 PM
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3. now that wouldn't be because something stinks about that war as well?
hmmmm....


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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:24 PM
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5. Empty post...
...just empty. No substance. Shallow inuendo.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:28 PM
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6. I echo that
hmmmm....
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:53 PM
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12. Echoing nothingness tells a lot *nm*
*nm*
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:56 PM
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13. I was echoing the stinkiness of the war
and his part in it, which, IMHO, reeks of further denial.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:58 PM
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15. No you're just parroting old tripe *nm*
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:27 PM
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18. Pastiche, does that mean you agree w/ Bush... because the
Edited on Thu Dec-04-03 05:27 PM by familydoctor
only pattern I can see to your reasoning is "cap on Clark
at all costs" no matter who it gets you in bed with....
Slobodon...Bush....

Your echo is nothing more than a veiled swipe.

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ajacobson Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:33 PM
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7. By that logic
wouldn't the Rove Administration want to play up Clark's connection to the situation? Instead they are doing the opposite.
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:37 PM
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8. "now that wouldn't be because something stinks about that war as well?"
You mean stinky as in, Clark won his war and is now a hero to the Kosovars?

Stinky like that? :kick:



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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:40 PM
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9. More stinky like...
his war crimes.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:56 PM
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14. And why would Rove want to suppress that?
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:30 PM
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19. Exactly, let's thank Rove and Bush for helping Clark cover up...
"his war crimes".

That makes so much sense. :eyes:

I am so on the edge of being convinced Clark is a
War Criminal...NOT!

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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:23 PM
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4. totally political
<<A spokesman for the State Department refused to answer any of Hundley's specific questions about the strange decision to black out Clark. In the absence of any convincing explanation, this appears to be a matter not only of harmful judicial meddling and unwarranted censorship, but a gross abuse of diplomatic authority for domestic political advantage as well.>>

Thanks for posting.

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:40 PM
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10. Two angles to this. Hurts Clark. But also hurts the idea that courts...
...are the right place to deal with people like Milosevic.

Republicans like to use people like Milosevic to make money. They don't like courts solving disputes like this, and they don't like international law.

If Clark could have testified before the press, it would have been a great opportunity for people to see international WORKING.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:59 PM
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16. A third angle.
On a drunk-with-power binge, they are not comfortable with sobering thoughts about heads of state standing trial for war crimes.

:evilgrin:

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:45 PM
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11. Bush just doesn't
want us to see a REAL hero, a rea diplomat, and real intelligent individual in Action. He doesn't want us to make the contrast between his unarticulated dishonest self and articulate and honest Clark. He knows that it would make him look bad, and might help win Clark the nomination. As Clark is their worst fear, censorship seems to be the only power they have......and we know that Bushco uses whatever they can, no matter how transparent.

THE EMPOREUR has no clothes, and Bush doesn't want the masses to get even a tiny glimpse.

Bush "image" is the only thing he's got, and Clark can tarnish that image just by contrast.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:20 PM
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17. Honor

The amazing part of this is Wes Clark wants to have Milosevic found accountable for his war crimes and will testify under these very bizarre circumstances because he has his eye on the right objective.


It is a long time between December 2003 and election 2004 -- I have a feeling that the details of the testimony will become known - and even Rove won't be able to shove the genie back into the bottle.
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CivilRightsNow Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 02:07 PM
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20. For the same reason they "fired" him from CNN because of..
"white house pressure". Shaw.

So that the media machine can make him look like more of a tortured democrat.

That's why.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 02:09 PM
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21. I think he resigned from CNN....
But I think Rove has a think-tank dedicated to slamming
Wes Clark, it's probably a bunch of pimple-faced college
students, but it's out there somewhere.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 02:13 PM
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22. I've noticed that you have gone around
and every Clark thread with attacks, even dredging up a day old thread. Do you have an agenda here?
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