Freeper upset about Arnie cutting services for autistic children

This woman is in her 60s and has a 25-yr. old autistic son and another disabled child. She's getting no compassion from her fellow freepers. They're attacking her for sucking at the government teat, and advising her to drive 200 miles for therapy sessions. Maybe she'll see the light.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1034253/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

To: pollywog
It is nice to know that Arnold is doing the job we elected him to do. Go Arnie!
26 posted on 12/04/2003 8:10:06 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Why can't we all just get along and do things my way?)

To: pollywog
My condolences, but plese look to local charities and churches--which used to fill needs like this until Socialists hijcked our nation--and will have to again do much more as government retreats. This country was not founded as a personal welfare state for its citizens.
30 posted on 12/04/2003 8:16:51 PM PST by montag813

To: pollywog
How did autistic people get along BEFORE the government teat was there for everyone to suck on? Since humans have walked on this earth there have been people with autism -- the government only started mucking around with this since the 1960s.
53 posted on 12/04/2003 8:38:24 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")

of her frustration. This is an issue close to her heart. Infact...maybe I will register on FR for the first time ever!.

I got thrown off and can't post. This issue is close to me because my step-daughter has TWO autistic children and I know how difficult it is. I help out whenever I can.

BTW, California has the highest percentage of autistic kids.

My heart went out to this lady and those stupid Freepers didn't "get it." Autistic children need PROFESSIONALS that know how to care for them.

Freepers, Nazi Bastards, one and all.

<< Invite her to become a Dem where people have half a sense
>>

Waste of time - she's just a self-interested FReeper. Here's her compassionate suggestion for others in need:

"How about cutting funding to illegals!! How about cutting out " FREE HEALTH" to those children who come across our borders illegally? How about stopping the " Save the Whales" projects??"

She doesn't seem to be concerned about the impact on the needy, only about her own needs. Par for the course, I guess ...

Sky

Stupid fucking asshats. Stupid. stupid stupid stupid.

:nuke:

insensitve pricks is more like it. Now who wants to increase the gun tax :D, oh the horror they will say.

Helped to "calm them down" so I've read. But then, they'd fit right in with the Freepers, so maybe thats what they really want?

... than allowing them to live at home with a subsidy of sorts. The freepers don't have a clue.

That's just disgusting.

The lady with the autistic son says that without this help, her son will have to live in a government facility. Wonder how much more that will cost the taxpayers? :shrug:

or maybe it's just been a crap day and I'm not feeling overly charitable....but can we assume this women votes Republican? I wouldn't have thought too many progressive log onto freakville for medical/social security advice - to me this is yet another PERFECT example of people who piss and moan about (or atleast dissaprove of) social welfare programs until THEY need them.

Yeah - the freepers on this one are particularly stupid and offensive (the answer of course to "what did they do before" is generally like most people with intellectual/physical or mental disabilities ie they were supported for their entire lives by their families or they live in misery and poverty) but how cluey was the women - even is SHE didn't vote for Arnie she's complaining to people who did

They lived in horrific snake pit type institutions, they were forcibly taken from their families and not allowed in society at all.

Ah, the good old days!

I have a handicapped daughter and I know that children like this were taken away from their mothers or parents forcibly and sent to instituions where they died early This is why when my daughter was born over 30 years ago, they said "Most children like this don't live very long" When down's syndrome children were taken away from their parents and put in a home they usually died within a year. No one knew they could live to adulthood til they started to be raised at home.

go to a nursing home. Sure it's way more expensive, but think of all the money the nursing homes and the nursing home lobbyists will make!

Nursing homes suck more from the government teat than almost any other industry.

It is fucking disgusting.

Silly Democrats.

They didn't.

when he wakes up.

I used to consider the man a rude and crude ham actor, but now I am beginning to really loathe him.

CBS) It's been a mystery in Washington for weeks. Just before President Bush signed the homeland security bill into law an unknown member of Congress inserted a provision into the legislation that blocks lawsuits against the maker of a controversial vaccine preservative called "thimerosal," used in vaccines that are given to children.
Drug giant Eli Lilly and Company makes thimerosal. It's the mercury in the preservative that many parents say causes autism in thousands of children – like Mary Kate Kilpatrick.
Asked if she thinks her daughter is a victim of thimerosal, Mary Kate's mother, Kathy Kilpatrick, says, "I think autism is mercury poisoning."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/12/eveningnews/main532886.shtml

They took this crap out of animal vaccines because vets complained and the value of the creatures went down.
Children, on the other hand, are not as important.

would you use mercury in vaccines?
Why?

http://www.autismlawyer.net/

"Unknown to most parents, some vaccines, such as the hepatitis B vaccine, contain the substance thimerosal. After being injected into the human body, thimerosal breaks down into the neurotoxin ethyl-mercury. Since the 1930's, drug manufacturers have been using thimerosal as a means of preventing the formation of bacteria in their vaccines, and while thimerosal may successfully keep vaccines bacteria-free, it also causes autism-like qualities in an astonishing number of children."

FUCK BUSH Buttons, Stickers & Magnets

The Danish study pretty well destroyed the Vaccine-Autism "link" That won't deter the true-believers, no fact ever does, but it SHOULD have settled the issue.


http://www.healthfinder.gov/news/newsstory.asp?docID=515304

Thimerosal was removed from the Danish pertussis vaccine in 1992. "Since then we have been able to follow up all these children with respect to the eventual development of autism," Melbye says. "We compute that there is no difference in the risk of autism in those children who got the vaccine with or without thimerosal."

The exhaustive study includes records on all the 467,450 children born in Denmark between Jan. 1, 1990, and Dec. 31, 1996. It finds no significant difference between the incidence of autism and other such problems in children who got vaccine with or without thimerosal, and no indications of a dose-response relationship between autism and the amount of ethylmercury received through thimerosal.

And I see we have Freepers endorsing the faith-based bullshit again...

To: pollywog
Autism is one of the hardest handicaps to deal with.

And people never dealt with autism before the government took over?

His marriage has ended on the rocks from the constant stress and tension. ... Our son often goes into fits and breaks things, causing much tension here in our home.
Tension used to be called "life." You cannot expect the government to step in to guarantee you a stress-free lifestyle.
66 posted on 12/04/2003 9:00:28 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")

To: Tactical
Our Autistic 7 yr old son just got authorized for physical therapy we requested help with 2 years ago. Great, know any PT's that will drive 200 miles to handle that therapy? We don't.

If he were my son, I would drive him the 200 miles to the therapist. Why can't you? Here in West Texas, we think nothing of driving 250 miles just to go shopping or to eat at an Olive Garden for goodness' sakes.
69 posted on 12/04/2003 9:04:27 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")

I also have an autistic daughter and almost cried when I saw this. Of course I knew that Arnie would cut "waste" in the way most helpful to his millionaire friends and most hurtful to the most vulnerable in society. Maybe the Freeps should go live in Peru or some other lovely country where no money is spent on social services. Perhaps they would find the taxes to their liking. If you want a first world country you pay the bill, I don't know what's to become of the most basic needs of people like my daughter in a "compassionate conservative" world.

Surely if they used all the money they are spending on bombing people to smithereens and all the Enron money etc...they could probably cure Autism and who knows what else. This goes beyond stupidity to just plain evil.

"If you want a first world country you pay the bill". Seems very profound, yet simple. I'm gonna have to use that the next time I get into an political argument with someone.:D

Very simple, yet very profound!

Having an autistic child means RARELY going shopping or to ANY Olive Garden, honey.,.

I have a friend with a 14 yr old autistic son.. He was FINE until he got his vaccines, and now he is bigger than his Mom, who HAS to work to help afford the bills.. His younger (and not autistic) brother does not get the attention he deserves.. His parents work on opposite hours of the clock and rarely see each other because they cannot afford to find care for Miles..

The time is fast-approaching, when they will not be able to care for him.. I see him getting more aggressive and Denise has a hell of a time handling him..

Could they drive 200 miles each way for "therapy"?? That's a 400 mile round trip, and just how would they fit that into their already jammed schedule??

I sincerely hope that the folks who were all gushing over our celebrity governor, choke on their words of praise..

You know, just when you think you've heard it all ...... what a bunch of heartless piles of shit!

Now, you know DAMN good and well if Davis had made these cuts those freepers would freak out.

And doubly obsessed about the "founders' intentions" concerning welfare and limited government. That is pretty much the extent of their political 'thought'. Let's all go back to the 50's! The 1350's, obviously.

and they want to bomb countries into being great democracies, but don't let them vote until after you're sure they will vote the way you want them to. Or something. These people are nuts.

Welcome to D.U.!

:hi:

Kanary

For the nice welcome!

I just thought I'd mention it.

But thanks anyway, since there may be a few who missed that.

to have spoken to that poor woman like that indicates that those freepers are some real repugnant creatures. being devoid of human compassion seems to be a congenital defect with them.

"How about cutting funding to illegals!! How about cutting out " FREE HEALTH" to those children who come across our borders illegally? How about stopping the " Save the Whales" projects??"

Nice, huh? Let those illegal babies die. Real Christian like. in fact these ass holes mention these people take their problems to the churches, while advocating letting babies die.

These have to be the dumbest mother fuckers ever born on the face of this earth. And the sad thing is that there is more where that came from.

the classic definition of an oxymoron. Most of the morons have the mental capacity of an Ox.

comparing them to a freeper. peta would be very upset.

"Hollywood stars should shut up"

"who cares about what Hollyweird has to say"

Then you hear.

"Oh Arnie, we love you!!!!!"

contradicting themselves? Obviously not.

That may too optimistic. More likely wandering the streets mumbling to himself, likely to be victimized by criminals, or locked up in prison, again, to be victimized by criminals.
" What you did not do for the least among you, you did not do for me." Merry Christmas!

We have a moral duty as a society to have programs for those who are unable to take care of themselves. It takes a lot of time and money to care for a dependent adult who is autistic (there a lot of different levels of impairment among autistics, some are pretty functional and have learned to adapt, others never can), and group homes and institutions are not cheap, either. I'd rather my tax money went to help the family caring for the individual than to some hospital corporation running a string of group homes in which the residents are over-medicated and sometimes abused or neglected.

Freepers and rethugs are always bitching about how this or that unworthy group of subhumans are leeching off the government teet and soaking up their tax dollars. I'm sure she was one of them, she's a freeper, no?

Until it comes to their little entitlement.

Then it's "poor me"! Right. See how you like it now.

I'd be interested if the woman's previous posts were as uncaring as the ones she is suffering through right now. Not that she deserves the crap she's getting, but it would be interesting to know if she is consistent or not.

I would imagine that her politics were pretty conservative, wouldn't you? I mean freepers are not known for their compassion for the less fortunate among us, particularly if those people, god forbid, actually need some government help.

I'm just going by the company she keeps. It's pretty repulsive company. Just look at the reception she's getting. And that's to a fellow freeper.

...but she sure as hell does. Wonder what she thinks about disabled "black" kids with autistism? Bet it is different than what she thinks her kids "deserve".

Don

<< I'd be interested if the woman's previous posts were as uncaring as the ones she is suffering through right now. Not that she deserves the crap she's getting, but it would be interesting to know if she is consistent or not
>>

She's just as bad - check out her little gem about the children of illegal immigrants and the whales. Obviously irony is not something much grasped by the far right fringe ...

Sky

If she *deserves* it, that's only because of the 'we get the government we deserve' phenomena.

I have a dittohead relative who, back in 1994, was so glad to have finally helped get Cuomo out of the NY governor's office and get Pataki in. She worked with disabled children for a living, and within 4 months of the new administration coming in, the grant that covered her salary went bye-bye.

It's amazingly easy to get people to vote against their own interests, when you give them an enemy.

from her fellow freepers. Obviously, I don't mean her kid deserves to be punished for his mother's foolishness.

But as for the virtual smack in the face she is getting for her vote for Anhold, yes, she deserves it. I'm sure she wasn't worried about what was going to happen to all those "other people", you know, the one's who had it coming, when she voted for him. Now the shoe is on the other foot and she is seeing what "compassionate conservatisim" really means.

I do know the republican party is primarily an enemy of advancement in society for autistic persons. I see no virtue in them. I despise them when they say its a waste of tax payer money to help them (autistic citizens) achieve independence and eventually become taxpaying citizens themselves (especially when taxpayers pay for the medical and retirement benefits for rich republican retirees that move to Florida).

To: FreedomCalls
Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?
38 posted on 12/4/2003 8:21:29 PM PST by Vladiator
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1034253/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

So far as I know, Scrooge never embraced a Totalitarian Tyrant who was a lickspittle...

Hypocrites.

similar to the excuses that some Germans made when Hitler decided to exterminate the Jews , Ill bet...
"But its for the Fatherland and our Great Leader!"

YOU GET WHAT YOU VOTE FOR! When will the sheeple ever wake up? That woman will probably continue to vote repug and keep shooting herself and her poor children in the foot and pocketbook. On the one hand, I feel bad for her and her children, but on the other hand, she's a repuke and voted for him. It's very, very difficult to muster a lot of sympathy. :( I don't mean to be callous, but she DID vote for the man. What the hell did she expect?

Vote for the GOP and you get the GOP elected. Then you get GOP policies.

How to break the cycle? Stop voting GOP.

with Austism no less , who is 25 years old and still think of yourself as a republican? I mean all she had to do was looking around the net and see who passes what bills.

Well, she got an rude awaking but damn she held to her strange republican beliefs for much too long. The freepers are only one serious traffic accident away from understand what it means to be disabled in America.

Did you see them cheering about these budget cuts? And telling that poor woman to seek "charities and churches" instead? Well what if there are no charities in her area? And what if she's not religious? Then she and her disabled son are screwed. Don't you just love compassionate conservatism?

When times are tough, the very first thing people cut out is charitable giving. Every food bank in America is understocked right now. Churches are cutting back services.

Dumbass conservatives.

I know I shouldn't be amazed, but how frickin' sheltered are these people? They have no idea what it's like to live with a child with developmental disabilities whatsoever. This IS why community is important. Ugh.

Sounds like Communism to me. </freeper>

I read those threads and their lack of compassion makes my blood run cold.

or the real one?

How could anyone with a severely autistic child BE a republican at all?

Makes no sense.

I don't know how you people can stomach even reading the crap on that site!


feel free to copy my little photoshop creation

Anywhere, at any time. It's one thing to be against welfare for people who can do more to help themselves, but to pick on a 60 year old because she needs help taking care of a severely disabled child-- my goodness, where is the love? I hope people don't really believe that Republicans who act like that and call themselves Christians are representative of Christ and what He preached. My heart breaks for how Republicans have managed to hijack Christianity and all that is moral and just.

to provide one time only or quarterly assistance if that. I would
ask how many of them contribute to these charities that they
are asking her to use. For a system like that to work the
churches would need far more contributions than they are
currently receiving. Not only are they heartless but they are poorly informed.

Perhaps its an appropriate time for what are undoubtedly those Freepers who would call themselves compassionate conservatives and Christians to read a little tale called "A Christmas Carol."

A little essay for their perusal:
http://www.iuinfo.indiana.edu/ocm/packages/holiday/dickens.htm

And an appropriate quote:

"For I was hungry and you gave me food,
I was thirsty and you gave me drink,
I was a stranger and you welcomed me,
I was naked and you clothed me,
I was sick and you visited me,
I was in prison and you came to me.'
Truly, I say to you,
as you did it to
one of the least of these,
my brethren,
you did it to me."

Jesus Christ
Matthew 25


 

I've got Republican relatives in LA that are very active in the autism/disabled community. My aunt probably knows this woman. My autistic cousin died several years ago and my aunt and uncle have since become kind of surrogate parents to his old autistic friends. They do a lot in the way of fundraising, raising awareness, and just helping out for a couple of organizations. They also support a disabled grand daughter. They are more Libertarian than Republican, but I know they voted for Arnold.

EDIT Here's one of their organizations:
http://www.oparc.com

Do you have any clue of the kind of disconnect that takes over the minds of people who will vote consistently against their own best interests? I've been discussing this with friends, and we can't figure it out This is such a case in point!

Kanary

I neglected to state that they are also multi-millionaires. They are, for the most part, moderate Republicans (although my aunt is more of an Art Bell type Libertarian) who would NEVER vote for a Dem. This move would be enough to keep them away from the polls though.

I'm one of those who couldn't read through all the gawd-awful and hateful replies. They simply aren't even human. Nor are they animal... animals care much more for each other than is displayed there.

However, I must also comment that this sort of reaction isn't limited to Reichwing followers. In my experience as a person on the bottom rung of the totem pole, I've heard the same thing directed at me... by self-described "liberal Democrats." I can tell you that it hurts much more when it comes from "one of your own".

Right on this forum, when I asked a question about the policy of a candidate about my issue because there was no mention of it on the website, and I suggested that the supporters voice some of their concern so that the candidate would take an interest, I got my head handed to me, and was told "Vote for Bush, then".

Of course, I learned from that that this is not the place to ask questions about policy, but also learned that some people don't care anymore from the liberal stand than they do from the conservative stand. Either way, it hurts, and it isolates.

As it seems necessary to add here, this is not an invitation for flames. This is a post asking for some concern and understanding

Kanary

Would someone be willing to reply, and let me know they can hear what I'm saying?

I just now saw a very insensitive reply to another poster on another thread.... this is happening here, too. Can we talk?

Kanary

Lately, we've hardly been much better.

I've been rather disgusted at the reception from some people toward those DU'rs who have family in Iraq. It's really chilling to hear your so-called fellow democrats call a fellow dem's family member a "baby killer" and such. I shouldn't respond because I just post flames, but it really infuriates me.

Are these the same Freepers who rant and rave about
"moral decline"? :wtf:

I'll answer him.. they friggin DIED

'cause then some of us grow up to be DUers! Not just me, either. I can think of at least three other people who have been here in the past who have autism, or the closely related Asperger syndrome, and who post here. Any others who care to self-identify?

Then again, back in Conn., there was a member of my support group who was a reich-wing yuckball, and another who was a Perotista...

And, Jeff Gordon is a freeper?!

26 posted on 12/04/2003 8:10:06 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Why can't we all just get along and do things my way?)

I mean, I knew he was a jerk, but a freeper?! :-)

I missed most of the new jargon:

WHAT'S A FREEPER?

Sorry, Sugarb..:dunce:

This web site here www.freerepublic.com

De-fund and abandon the people most in need. I'm sure that these people got to church on sunday and think of themselves as outstanding christians.

They will treat and do the same to women when they criminalize abortion. They will humiliate and abandon the weakest among us because that's the type of ugly and pathetic demons that they are.

The more we bitch about deficits the people running Congress just might decide to give us a balanced budget after all. Oh, but they won't be raising taxes on the wealthy or cutting money from the Penatagon. No, no. They'll cut programs like this.