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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 09:21 AM
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MSNBC: Kerry looks to rebound in New Hampshire
*As a side note, I just think that his aspirations are extremely idealistic. He better have a whole lotta cards up his sleeves.
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Kerry looks to rebound in N.H.

In a former stronghold, rival Dean is far ahead

MANCHESTER, N.H., Dec. 4 — If John F. Kerry was looking for a sign that he has turned around his struggling presidential campaign, he got the opposite in New Hampshire on Thursday. Two new polls charted the erosion of his support in a state where the Massachusetts senator was once the heavy favorite.

BOTH POLLS showed Kerry falling even further behind former Vermont governor Howard Dean and in danger of being overtaken for second place by retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark, and they lent urgency to his efforts to revitalize a campaign that has been sputtering through much of the fall.

The new numbers, which came in surveys by Zogby International and the American Research Group, showed Kerry roughly 30 percentage points behind Dean, after starting the year well ahead of the field of Democrats here. Zogby put Dean at 42 percent and Kerry at 12 percent. The ARG poll showed Dean at 45 percent, Kerry 13. Clark ran third in both, a few percentage points behind Kerry, with Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (Conn.) fourth.

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Kerry looks to rebound in New Hampshire
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 09:27 AM
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1. on a visual note
I see waaaaaaaay less Kerry stuff in peoples yards and on their cars here in Southern NH than I do of (in order):

Dean
Clark
Edwards
Kucinich

I certainly doesn't help that he's taken our former governor Jeanne Shaheen as his campaign manager. She used the gov office as a stepping stone for a Senate run, and lost. She was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to center right for many of the dems in the state.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 09:35 AM
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2. Kerry was guilty of assuming the press would do its job
and allowed the early attacks on him by the early attacker to sit instead of reciprocating. He should have reciprocated back in the early part of the year and shown the lies and the inconsistencies of the early attacker when they happened. Even though Kerry was still in recovery from cancer surgery, he should have had a press conference and dealt with the lies of his attacker. The corporate press will not do their job to defend any Democrat that truly threatens Bush. Kerry should never have expected them to.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 09:46 AM
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3. blm
judging by Dean's surge after Kerry's fixation on attacking him, you would think he would learn that it was a losing strategy. more and more kerry demonstrates poor political instincts and a lack of judgement.

As for the media---didn't Kerry vote to support Clinton's telecommunications act and doesn't have alot of media stock? On the other hand, "Dean and the Corporate Media Machine":

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1204-14.htm

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:47 AM
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7. Who went after the FCC with a Senate resolution last fall, CWebster?
Oh yeah...that would be Kerry. Guess you failed to acknowledge that. btw...Why is the media so hard on Kerry if he owns it? Why do they only talk about Dean and gave him a press plane LAST JUNE if Kerry owns them?
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:24 AM
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4. The meda gave Dean a press plane?
Somehow I doubt that.

As for Kerry, it's going to be hard to go up against this kind of organizing:

Dean Organizers Take Lesson From Labor
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/05/politics/campaigns/05DEAN.html


Eloriel
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:51 AM
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10. Yeah?
And the NRA went after the FCC with a huge grassroots letter writing campaign. So?

Kerry doesn't own the media, but he certainly doesn't appeal to the media either. Where are his press releases?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 11:14 AM
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19. Where Karl Rove told the press to put them - in the shredder.
Did you see the media coverage of the VFW convention that ONLY Kerry was asked to speak at last spring? Condi and Rumsfeld were covered by all the media, but the ONE Dem who got up and BUSTED on Bush went unnoticed? Maybe because Kerry got bigger applause than Condi and Rummy?

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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:44 AM
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6. Hey blm...
Kerry should have known by the lesson of another, Dukakis that is, that the attacks should have been dealt with and corrected immediately. There's nothing wrong with slinging a little mud back at an opponent as long as that mud has some facts to help make it stick and of cours it's done with finesse.
What makes me laugh is the one who started attacking first then cries foul when he is subjected to a little of his own.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:51 AM
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11. Yeah, did you ever hear Kerry saying he was picking buckshot out of his
ass when Dean was attacking him? Too bad that Kerry concentrated on bringing Bush down and worked on policy and a team to do that instead of going after the lies of the Dean team.
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:53 AM
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13. YEah OK so Kerry lacks a sense of humor too
You're trying to BOOST your candidate this way?

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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 11:02 AM
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16. An idea for you...
go retrieve the early attacks by Dean and do a thread! In the second debate when Dean miscontrued Geppy's comment and over reacted, well, let's just say those are not characteristics I would like to see in a president. He took the distortion and twisted as sympathy for himself when it was actually an attack on Geppy, it really turned me off. Sure enough Dean supporters were here claiming outrage at Geppy's comment and even when shown the remark was taken out of context they continued to cry foul!
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:52 AM
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12. Depends on the attack
Can you show me Kerry's words on how he would plan to keep medicare, with an exponentially growing budget, solvent without CONSIDERING all of the options? I can't find specifics.
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:49 AM
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9. The problem with your argument is
that Kerry is doing WORSE since his hamfisted attacks at Dean started.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:55 AM
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15. Not if he showed the lies last winter when they started.
If Dean's lies on his Iraq war support were shown when he first made them, as well as his lie accusing the others of supporting Bush's tax cut for the wealthiest when none of them did, then this would be a different race because Dean's words would be more scrutinized.

The press never picked up on Dean's B-L and Iraq war tapdance. If they did, Kucinich would have much higher poll numbers than Dean right now.
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:49 AM
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8. He's gonna have to learn to rebound
His shooting percentage is dismal. And he keeps turning the ball over.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:53 AM
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14. he should be able to rebound
After all, he is 6'4" :D

but seriously, I think Kerry's numbers will improve. I don't think he'll beat Dean, but I think the final totals will be closer than these polls indicate.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 11:08 AM
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18. Ok, that's it! You get a big....
:spank: for the joke! Actually it made me laugh but I have a lingering cold with chest congestion and I have a coughing fit after laughing! Kerry will gather steam, no doubt about it for me!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 11:02 AM
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17. I think Clark is hurting him
Clark comes across as Kerry without the waffling.Whether or not that's true doesn't even matter,that's the image Kerry has been getting.

My father,who hates politics,said yesterday he felt Kerry had all the charisma of a wet rag.And my father LIKES Kerry.Imagine how he seems to many who are undecided about him.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:33 AM
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5. I think in interviews and speeches Kerry comes across with
charisma but for some reason the still photos of him just don't seem to capture it! I do believe he needs to consult on some PR to get his image out there. I saw a photo the other day that was just smashing. Kerry has a wonderful charm and intellect IMO.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 11:15 AM
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20. Kerry should assemble a panel discussion of his experts/endorsers
I think a panel of Rand Beers, Gary Hart, et al. discussing why they are backing Kerry would be a pretty powerful persuader.
I know Kerry will come back, he has a lot of strong and loyal support in NH. It is clear it will take a miracle for him to win, but a strong 2nd will suffice.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 12:01 PM
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21. He certainly needs to let it be known!
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