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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:12 PM
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The one big reason conservatives don't get it
In my time debating politics on the web and face to face the one overwhelming attribute that conservatives don't have is empathy. That's it. Give it to them and we're on a level playing field. For some reason these people simply lack the ability to see the world through someone else's eyes. They can't, or won't, try to understand what it'd be like to grow up in a depressed, rotting, inner city. They won't try to understand why a Palestinian would be filled with so much rage that they'd be willing to murder, die, or rot in jail just to strike back. They won't understand why a scared 15 year old girl would get an abortion rather than go to her parents. All they know, thanks to the RW media, is that they make less money than they could so that their taxes can go to welfare mothers who'll use it for crack.

I honestly have no idea why we have empathy and they don't. I guess that's what makes us "bleeding hearts".
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:16 PM
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1. that is a good analysis
They lack many basic human emotions it seems.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:21 PM
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2. That's it exactly....
everyone should just "pull themselves up by their bootstraps". Lazy welfare cheats and crack ho'mothers.

Interesting that a lot of cons who think this way are pretty much at the bottom of the gene pond.
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:23 PM
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3. It's also called
"selfishness". They believe in the scarcity myth .. that there is not enough ** to go around. That in order for someone to be 'great', someone else must be 'small'. It is a separatist, black/white, us/them mindset based on fear.
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:25 PM
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4. I also think they don't have a clear picture of the country
They live on big chunks of land in the suburbs in big houses with at least two cars in the garage; their employer provides health insurance and vacation time; they have enough savings that if they lose their job they can take their time looking for a new one. Many just don't realize that not everyone lives this way.

I told a coworker recently that 40 percent of working Americans do not have health insurance provided through their employer. She flat out didn't believe me.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 02:13 PM
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17. They have savings?
I doubt it. Most of them are over-extended just trying to keep up with an ad-based lifestyle.
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:26 PM
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5. well, yeah,
it's always easy to get people to agree with you if you get them to accept your basic premises. The trick is how to do it.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:26 PM
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6. The Golden Rule(s)
Liberals (and true Christians): Do unto others...
Conservatives: He who has the gold makes the rules

I never thought that second one was very funny.
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NuckinFutz Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:27 PM
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7. I think you've got something there
Except this lack of empathy doesn't apply only to the wealthy. There are plenty of blue collar and middle class folks living by the "I've worked my ass off my whole life, and I never got any help. Life's tough. I worked for everything I got, why should I have to give up for somebosy else?" mindset. These are the folks that believe the crack/welfare mother, lazy lowlife who won't work but is driving a Cadillac and eating steak, hype that's always spewing from the right wing.
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:28 PM
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9. Never said
only the wealthy. This attitude is big in the white working class.
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NuckinFutz Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:57 PM
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16. You are right again.
My original response related to the prevailing descriptions in your post.

I wonder what the correspondence is between this inability for empathy and sheltered living. For instance, the rich do tend to be off in their own world, rarely intermingling with the rest of us, and it seem like many of the less moneyed repubs often are less educated and less traveled, due to not being able to afford either and learn other perspectives.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:32 PM
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10. entitlement (n/t)
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lfairban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:28 PM
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8. I remember when I heard my sister at Thanksgiving . . .
. . . calling the Iraqis who are fightning against the American forces terrorists, I started thinking the same thing. I gave up on making her see the light a long time ago.

I quit listening to Republicans about politics when Nixon ordered the invasion of Cambodia. You can't trust a damn thing they say.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:32 PM
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11. they are not fully developed human beings...
Their brains have not grown with their bodies. They are in denial that anything could be something other than black or white. They have no empathy, yet they say they like "compassionate conservatism". But the truth is they like it for political reasons - not because they are really compassionate.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:33 PM
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12. yes, I have noticed that
they are extremely selfish and see value only in things that directly benefit THEM. Very Christian.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:36 PM
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13. Conservatives can't read
Conservatives are less educated. That's why they're assholes.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 02:15 PM
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18. I never understood that
I went the other way.
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Patriot_Spear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:41 PM
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14. I was discussing the same thing with a co-worker this morning...
Have you ever read the studies about infants deprived of 'cuddling'? As adults they are walking nightmares- no feeling for anyone beyond themselves. I honestly think many Freepers had something horrible happen to them as children and they have a stunted emotional develpoement.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 02:17 PM
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19. That's "developmental psychology" and I agree
The basis of the theory is that we progress through stages when we get what we need as children. But when, for whatever reason, we don't get what we need to progress through a phase...it will "haunt" us throughout our lives.

It is interesting that children have no empathy...that it must be taught. In this sense, conservatives are just less socially-developed and weren't taught correctly.
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 02:19 PM
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20. I pretty much agree
They live in an extremely social darwinistic way of life..

I myself believe in social darwinism but, I also can see things from different point of views..

Alot of rightwingers I used to discuss things with would refuse this.. or they would just answer with a standard answer, applying his way of life to the situation I asked him to see from the other persons point of view.
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 02:20 PM
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21. Right!
But stingy needs to be in there somewhere. They are just plain stingy!
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