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El Mariachi Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:46 PM
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Since the economy is in an apparent upswing....
Can someone tell me what sectors of business are doing so well (besides construction)?

They mention factory orders going up and whatnot, but for what industries? Apparel? I know its not steel.

Its odd to me because you hear things all the time on the news how such-and-such industry is getting strong growth... but I haven't seen any specifics in the articles I've read as to exactly what industry's growth is driving this economy upswing.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:50 PM
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1. Well, the stock market is down today
With the TV and papers saturated with how wonderful everything is, what's that about?
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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 02:08 PM
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8. It like....
the comfort you demanded is being manufactued for you. And in the backround the music of "Don't Worry Be happy!" Only 20-days of shopping before Xmas.
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NewGuy Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:53 PM
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2. This question came up a week ago also
Someone posted the figures from a government site showing that transportation and manufacturing were both up. Pretty much across the board.

The issue that remains is will the trend last and will jobs follow. This may be no more than a replenishing of stocks depleted slowly during the recession.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:55 PM
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3. Don't believe everything they tell you
Things are not as they would have you believe.


Dow 9,853.42 -77.40 (-0.78%)
Nasdaq 1,938.46 -30.34 (-1.54%)
S&P 500 1,060.61 -9.11 (-0.85%)
10-Yr Bond 4.217% -0.152

That's at 1:50 today. The dollar plummets, the service sector hiring is terrible (retail hiring 27% below last year which was a massive drop from the year before too).

And here is a good article about our present situation:

"Could the Stock Market Crash? Everyone Says 'No.'"

Congratulations to the traders who rode this market rally up from what Larry Kudlow refers to as “the mother of all bottoms”. The rally appears to be in full bloom and stockowners are happy. Any one suggesting that a crash is possible would be dismissed as a nut case. Yet that’s exactly what I am going to suggest in this article. So you may want to dismiss me now and move to the technical analysis section below.

Once again, nobody cares that stock investing consists of owning shares in businesses. No one cares that any purchase of a business should be viewed as an investment, and should provide earnings, growth prospects, and dividends to justify the purchase. Today’s market is speculative and prices are being determined purely by happy feelings and emotions. There is a gigantic discrepancy between intrinsic values of most companies’ stocks and their stock market prices. In many companies, wealth continues to be transferred from its shareholders to its management via stock options and share buybacks of stock market-overpriced businesses. Shareholders don’t have a clue or even care. At the margin where prices are being determined, shareholders are not shareholders at all. Consider two of the top performing stocks of this year, Cisco and Amazon.com. An average share of Cisco changes ownership every 5 months or so, and the average share of Amazon.com changes hands every month! Imagine any company that is under new ownership every month! Under these “hot-potato” share-trading schemes promoted by Wall Street and practiced by many well respected money managers, would the shareholders care about the long-term prospects of the company? Of course not. Most are only trying to roll triple hearts at the slot machine.

I believed that throughout this rally, the stock market has had the potential to crash. It hasn’t yet, but when the market does crash, it may crash in a devastating manner. You should consider the question of, “If the market goes down, HOW would it go down?” The questions that are explored in the mainstream financial media, TV, and Internet, deal with IF and WHEN the stock market can go down. They rarely explore the question of, HOW it may go down? How far, how fast, how devastating? The dumbed-down public does not consider this question because in their collective minds, we have already seen the answers to these questions in the stock market from March of 2000 to October of 2002. The answers in their minds are VERY far, PRETTY fast, and by in large, NOT TOO devastating. By in large, they think we are now in a new bull market.

{snip}

Every casual stock market participant is now bullish. Everyone KNOWS that the stock market is going up. Greenspan will continue to keep any crash from happening. Corporate management will continue with the positive press releases that “beat-by-a-penny”, and are “better-than-expected”. Mark Haynes, and Joe Kernan will continue to joke, and Sue Herrera will continue to smile. Stimulus-induced government economic data will continue to be positive (yet unsustainable). William O’Neil will continue to tout the speculative favorites in spite of irrational valuations, and Investors Business Daily (IBD) followers will continue to bid these stocks up. Merrill Lynch and others will continue to issue analyst upgrades, and the public will continue to listen to them and gap up these stocks. In short, the game will continue! (Nasty but truthful e-mails from Wall Street analysts about suspect companies will not continue though!)

Overvaluation, chicanery, and everybody thinking alike suggest to me that all the ingredients for a stock market crash are in place. The only thing missing is the catalyst, and there are a variety of potential ones on the horizon. The risk (of a crash) greatly outweighs the marginal gains that can be made at this point.


More here: http://www.financialsense.com/Market/wrapup.htm

My advice: Beware the cheerleaders.

Julie
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 02:02 PM
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6. Hi Julie, Where Did You Find This Gem Of A Stat?
"The dollar plummets, the service sector hiring is terrible (retail hiring 27% below last year which was a massive drop from the year before too)."
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 02:10 PM
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9. CNBC
Heard it about an hour ago from some expert, Steve Leasemean, their chief economist. Also a shameless whore for the boy king. He said, more than once suprisingly enough, "do the retailers know something we don't know?"

Ugly stuff, no?

Julie
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 02:13 PM
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10. Definately, Been Unemployed For 40 Months Now, See No Changes Soon!
eom
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 03:16 PM
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13. Correction!
I jsut saw Liesman's report again (I also learned how to spell his name) and it was 27,000 not 27% less hiring in the retail sector this year over last.

My apologies for the shrot term memory problem. ;-)

Julie
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:57 PM
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4. An Increase Of One Order Is Enough To Say Orders Are Up
But, This Is Not Enough To Say That The Economy Will Improve By Creating Jobs.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 02:00 PM
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5. My son is in construction in Washington state
He was laid off a couple of weeks ago. The first time he has been laid off ever. He has worked construction for a decade. :shrug: The economy is really booming alright.
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dawgman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 02:05 PM
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7. Most of the numbers you see in these articles are conjecture.
It is based on estimates that are often proven wrong.
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El Mariachi Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 02:14 PM
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11. so...
no one has a clue as to what industries are making these gains?
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 02:15 PM
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12. Defense Contractors
Billions down the money pit
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