“How can we leave Iraq?”

Have you noticed how the politicians who ask that question aren’t in Iraq? They’re making speeches
and holding press conferences in Washington about “How can we leave Iraq?”

An old story from Vietnam Days comes to mind.

Somebody asked a soldier who was against the war, “How can we leave Vietnam?”

The answer: “Ship or plane, either is good.”

The liars in Washington in those days were selling a different line of bullshit. If “we” leave Vietnam,
the Communists will take over Vietnam, then Thailand, then Malaysia, then Burma, then India, then
the Philippines and before you know it they’re landing in California. “It’s better we fight communism
in the streets of Saigon than in the streets of New York,” they said.

Vietnam “fell” and none of that happened. Today Vietnam is full of sweatshops where people get paid
shit making sneakers for U.S. corporations and all kinds of other stuff, but noticeably few
Communists have invaded California, and no Vietnamese appear to be interested in getting even for
their millions of dead by traveling over here and fighting in the streets.

So what would happen if the
U.S. military left Iraq and all the
troops came home now?

Maybe some Iraqi
multimillionaires will buy up the
government and pocket the oil
money. That would be the
American way.



Bring all the troops home now
http://www.traveling-soldier.org/11.03.leave.php

we don't abandon, we turn over matters to nations with more effectve leaders who will have a better chance of success

Just a thought.

and as you said, let the Iraqis run their own affairs. Iraq was a thriving civilization thousands of years before our European ancestors learned how to have sex face-to-face.

but the fact is we can't leave the country in the messed up condition that it is. We have to stay until the job is done.

or when it's done?

country and let them rebuild themselves. They don't want us there. They are not children. They are warriors and have pride, nationalism, resources.....they are highly educated, and quite serious about Islam being the basis for their government.

In short, Saddam was our wet dream of a government, but Smirky and Poppy got all hot under the collar and pissed off personally at him, and now we will have an islamic fundamentalist state run by an ayatollah that will, with excellent reason, hate us for generations to come for dumping them with explosives, depleted uranium, occupying them, humiliating them and otherwise seriously fucking up their lives and their country.

The absolute BEST thing we could do, if we were serious about what is best for them, is to let them have their country back.

We haven't messed it up enough yet? We really have to mess it up bad or why bother. :crazy: What job are you referring to? The sooner we leave the sooner those people can get on with their lives and rebuilding their country.

"The problem is all inside your head", she said to me
The answer is easy if you take it logically
I'd like to help you in your struggle to be free
There must be fifty ways to leave your colony

She said it's really not my habit to intrude
Furthermore, I hope my meaning won't be lost or misconstrued
But I'll repeat myself at the risk of being crude
There must be fifty ways to leave your colony
Fifty ways to leave your colony

Just slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Lee
And get yourself free

Just slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just listen to me
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Lee
And get yourself free

She said it grieves me so to see you in such pain
I wish there was something I could do to make you smile again
I said I appreciate that and would you please explain
About the fifty ways

She said why don't we both just sleep on it tonight
And I believe in the morning you'll begin to see the light
And then she kissed me and I realized she probably was right
There must be fifty ways to leave your colony
Fifty ways to leave your colony

Just slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Lee
And get yourself free

You just slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just listen to me
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Lee
And get yourself free




With apologies to Paul Simon

"...We shouldn’t forget that the Iraqis managed to organize their own society for about 3000 years before America was “discovered” in what were some of the earliest human civilizations. Before the U.S. invasion, Iraq was one of the few Muslim countries where city life was more like Europe than it is in Kuwait, or Saudi Arabia, or other medieval regimes supporting Bush’s Imperial War. It’s the most vicious, ignorant racism to assume they can’t run their own country without Bremer and Bush..."

That kind of says it all. But the racism is so endemic, so pervasive, I have heard things like "they only understand force" on CNN and even seen posts on this forum asserting that this or that group cannot govern themselves.

People truly do not realize how they sound or the significance of it. Sure racism is annoying, but it can also be dangerous, and not just for the target group.

There are also plenty of white folks suffering - and dying - because of the widespread acceptance of the "vicious ignorant racism" referenced in the above paste.