Republican "Intellectuals" Are Pissed At Bush...

Yeah I know, the first question is, ARE there any GOP Intellectuals? That's news to me!

Apparently there are some actual thinking, intellegent conservatives who think his fiscal policies are a disaster, but they are far outnumbered by the freeper/dittohead sheep, small government, BAAAAHHHH!!! So completely uninformed that they don't even KNOW that it's GWB that's spending us into oblivion to benefit his special interest buddies.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/1001912.asp?0cv=CB10

that the Junta are really Nazis who don't care about economics at all: they care about war and emptying the treasury.

that the traditional conservatives are waking up!!!

could only do two <p>... :puke:

peace

I think your typos make your reply difficult to decipher....at least for me.

And one of the things that pisses me off about this place (I love this place, don't get me wrong) is how over the top and fanatical the sweeping generalizations are of "everyone" in the republican party.

Republicans make us angry because a) we passionately disagree at the core of our being and b) their most extreme folks are very, very loud - but it is just ludicrous to act as though there are no intelligent and resonable republicans. Just because someone disagrees with me doesn't mean the are stupid idiot bastards. That's free republic thinking. I have republican friends and I believe they are dead wrong on most issues. But they are not stupid, and the issues are complex, and not all their arguments are without merit.

....and the most successful at voicing the GOP side of things are 100% Bush apologists, that is what we have in the media anyhow and I'm not the only one here who is sick to death of being lied to and watching our long term security go down the tubes because these idiots in charge are using fear and ignorance to manipulate the public. And they are good at it!

It is just hard for me to believe that anybody really thinks the GWB agendas in any way represent our best interests. We will be lucky to survive one term, two terms?

Hey, I wouldn't mind John McCain or some other GOP with a heart, brain and conscience, regardless of whether I agree with them.

...Bush and Reagan were the LEAST fiscally conservative presidents in history.

how can you be an "intellectual" and be fine with that?

I love his show and get it from http://www.whiterosesociety.org, he often says "all republicans lie", and that's too broad a brush for me.

I tuned in to him after seeing references here and have been listening daily for half a year now.

I do understand why he says it though, and I agree in the sense that any republican party member is automatically endorsing Bush* for pResident, which makes them complicit in his lies.

But in that sense we are all guilty unless we're out protesting or otherwise making ourselves heard.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

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The idea that all Reps are stupid, venal, etc. is absurd.

There are real conservatives who believe in conservative ideas because they think they will be the best long-term policy for the country.

But, I have to say there are damn few of them in the current administration and in Congress.

IMHO their biggest mistake is thinking Bush is a Republican because he says so.

to lie about $$$ .. the article indicates he will be blaming congress, what's new ..

they started to panic. I wondered when it would happen.

It's cute to talk about Republican intellectuals as an oxymoron (ok, oxymoran) but they are not all Tom DeLay.

And they do know money. Oh Boy, do they understand money.

It was only a matter of time before the financial types started to rebel over this irresponsibility. You can only carry party loyalty and personal greed so far. They see the distinct possibility of the entire house of cards falling down.

is that the medicare bill is a poison pill.

It was never designed to be anything other than a short term political tool for the next election and a long term vehicle to speed up the dismantling of medicare or at least its severe curtailment through means testing (at which point, medicare will no longer be a program for the middle class- thus crippling its majority support among the electorate).

Once you cede this point, then an analysis of the high cost (with no containment) and at best very modest benefits makes perfect sense. Program efficiency & extension was never this legislation's intent (and my guess is that some of those expressing outrage right now are well aware of that & covering their asses).

Another rhetoric game which the Republican's won. The term "elitist" was used to refer to "over-educated" liberals. (As if having too much education is a bad thing.) I guess, because Republicans bandy together against things that intimidate them, and because no one challenged them before, the term stuck.

So, let's call "Republican intellectuals" for what they really are. They are elitist.

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I think that the GOP intellectuals understand that shrub will do anything to be elected. The short term political gain is all that matters to this bunch.
The irony is that the blowback from these horrible fiscal policies wont hit full-force until Shrub is out of office.
Krugman had an article yesterday that supported this idea, the GOP intells are hoping that after the re-selection * will bring in some level headed policy wonks to leave a better legacy than fiscal disaster and an Iraqi quagmire.

They don't have it in them to vote for the party of fiscal responsibility now do they?

There IS such a thing?

I don't know why that point is never made. Maybe I'm nuts, but if government spends us into deficits (and must honor its debts), then that means that a deficit is hidden tax increase. It is worse than a tax increase, because the debt has an interest burden.

Is deficit spending not equivalent to or worse than taxes? That just seems so obvious.

Suppose they say, "The economy will grow us out of the deficit." Then you just say back, "Well, if we didn't have your deficit we could have had a tax cut if the economy grew." ...

...isn't this clear to an 8-year old?

You gotta pay what you owe?

What do you call a Republican intellectual like Rush Limbaugh on oxycontin: an oxymoron?

should we cut him a break? lemme think for a minute...hmmmmm....

naw.