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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:33 PM
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Anger?? They're lucky it hasn't turned to violence.
They are lucky people aren't marching to the White House with Pat Buchanan's pitchforks and shovels. People have a right to be angry. We are talking about an Administration that has sent our young men and women to die for a lie. They have put people behind fences that have tried to protest and march peacefully. They have grabbed citizens off the street and put them in a cage in Quantanamo, Cuba without a reason and without an official charge and without access to a lawyer. They have mortgaged our children's future with the largest deficits in our nations history. In the process, they have squandered the largest surplus in history. They have borrowed and spent every penny of the SS fund and now are scamming the elderly with their Medicare prescription drug plan. On top of that, they want to take FDR off the dime and put on Ronald Reagan. Yes, people have a right to be angry. That's the least they can be.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:35 PM
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1. the people who are angry UNDERSTAND how we have beed HAD
the sheeple continue to watch Faux and are suprised ...if they were informed ...there would have been a full scale revolt.

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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:36 PM
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2. Agreed
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Military Brat Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:39 PM
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3. Jesus might add, "It's time to storm the temple!"
But alas, we must follow due process. Wouldn't want people to think we're angry, now would we? But you know what they say, it's always the quiet ones that will fool you.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:44 PM
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4. I know that I'm one thin hair
from being ballistic, thing is where does one direct their anger? We know where the evil emmanates from, trouble is it's so damn shielded and protected it's damn hard to get at.
I don't think it's all the fault of those brain dead people watching faux, rather it's people are so damn busy trying to keep their heads above the water they just don't have time to give a good ratsass about what is happening outside of their immediate world.
So, what do we do, we don't have a magic ring to undo, we don't have a hero to lead the fight, all we have is a bunch of tired dispirited people that somehow have to fight the evil that has arisen.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:57 PM
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8. A leader will arise
and the current crop of candidates has some real potential.

I think once it is clear who will win the nomination, they are going to have overwhelming support. There are a lot of people who are sick and tired of what W is doing to this country and are motivated to take action and get involved. When the democratic front runner is known, then I think the rest will fall into place.

W can not win in a fair and free election and they know it. That is why they will do whatever it takes to remain in power, including another MIHOP. But I think the 'American people' will surprise us all when the time comes and we will kick the bums out either through the electoral process or through the courts. Even if W 'wins' the election and the only way he can do that is to cheat, he will be forced to resign or be impeached soon after.





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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:46 PM
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5. Appropriate Anger
My favorite phrase to use on "middle-of-the-roaders" is a also a favorite here on DU: If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention"
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:51 PM
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6. Most of the anger is beneath the surface...
I can tell this immediately when I hear the SILENCE from the RWer's here in NE. They are not defending bush anymore. But they have NOT allowed their anger to surface, like most of the bush opponents have.

The GOP voters know they've been had, and they will devote their time quietly, to distrusting the administration. Even duting the American Revolution, far more that despised the Crown remained silent, (basically out of fear), but they quietly supported the Cause.

A caveat here: Generally speaking Dems are MUCH more civil than the the thugs of the GOP. We know our ideology is better; they have to bite, scratch, scream, beat and steal their way into office. :grr:

O8)
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:56 PM
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7. You're damn right the people in this....
country should be up in arms over what is being foisted on us daily by the bush* administration. The apathy is beyond explanation in my opinion. My emotions alternate from all out anger to utter frustration. I e-mail my congressman and Senators regularly and actively support Howard Dean. I'm not giving up on my country, I intend to take my country back, and the house and the senate and the media and the election process and the right for women to choose, and I won't stop until some real change takes place.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:05 PM
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10. Snail mail
I've been sending snail mail letters, too. And not just to my own congress critters. It's relatively easy to send lots of individual letters using mail merge in Word. Each letter is an original with my original signature.

I'm thinking we ought to be doing something about the missing purple hearts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=257464
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:02 PM
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9. A slogan we ought to appropriate
"I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore."

That was perfectly respectable when the other side used it.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:06 PM
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11. I don't think this country *knows how* to raise the pitchforks yet
Maybe we will learn? Who knows.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:23 PM
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13. let them continue to raise the" Anger" issue.....we should use that to
our advantage....anger is a good thing if used constructivley...each thing they throw at us..we should validate and throw it right back..neutralize the bastards.

I am angry... and for the first time in my life...I will work to get out the vote..write,call,email and fax my reps..write to the editors...send money...join groups for a cause....I am mad as hell..and Im not gonna take it anymore.

Rethuglicans can color me ANGRY! and motivated.
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TexasMexican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:22 PM
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12. they arent scared because...
Edited on Sun Dec-07-03 01:27 PM by TexasMexican
...most democrats dont like guns or violence.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:29 PM
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16. Thats what they think
There are a ton of "fanatical gun nuts" here, and I am sure you will be hearing from them.
I think that is a common misconceptoin, that Democrats don't like guns or violence.

Personally, I don't own any guns, but I don't have a problem with them. I would just rather buy a Les Paul than any gun I have ever seen.
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newsjunkie Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:58 PM
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25. I am a liberal with a gun
and that makes me dangerous to unAmerican nazi-neocon assholes. I will not go down like a stray dog when my ancestors bled and served the military and worked and payed taxes so that I (and my children and other Americans) could inherit and benefit from that effort.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:54 PM
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24. Huh?? Plenty of gun owners/users here.
We don't boast and advertise, but that's because we aren't posturing macho/a assholes like a lot of Repubs. But there's plenty of firepower here.

Not that I think it will do much good for the population to pull out its guns and start blazing away. The Bush cabal has all the firepower on its side, as I have mentioned before.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 03:22 PM
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27. If it comes to that,
I think the rest of the world just might step in and help The People out. After all, it's not Americans as a group that the world hates.

It's Bush. Most of the world knows that what our country has been doing for the last three years is a drastic policy shift brought on by a very small, very powerful group of people.
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ldoolin Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 03:16 PM
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26. That's how the RW wants to stereotype liberals, but...
When they kick down your front door
How you gonna come
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun?

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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:24 PM
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14. The anger in Democrats that I see is the quiet and determined kind.
People are determined to do their part to get the Unelected One and his friends out.

The extreme right-wingers are trying to portray it as if we are crazy and wild-eyed and full of irrational hatred like they are. But I have been talking to other Clark volunteers in person and reading posts online from people supporting the other candidates too, and most people want to preserve our system, our laws, hold government accountable, reduce the deficit, use the military wisely, and so on.

This is a revolution of the greedy against the poor, the middle class and even against responsible-type rich people. The greedy top Republicans, their corporate contributors and the media pundits that support them are acting criminal and/or out-of-control. They are the ones that are irrational and angry. From what I see, most Democrats and others are the opposite, very rational and very angry and wanting to do something to help the country.

I watched those Senate committee hearings about the media mergers. Rupert Murdoch was the best one at hiding his feelings, but the other media owners were fascinating to watch. They had lip-curled-up contemptious Cheney-like expressions. They were obviously furious that they had to condescend to appear before the Senators and that the lowly common people were daring to interfere with their mergers by grassroots means.

We've got to keep up the grassroots and get these people exposed.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:27 PM
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15. You know what really caught my attention, Kentuck
I knew I was angry, and I knew that I had a lot to be angry about. But I didn't realize that moderates and moderate Dems would be just as angry.

Then, after asshole asked for the $87 billion for Iraq, my mom got really pissed. She is an elementary school teacher, which probably has a lot to do with it. We were watching TV, and she just suddenly said, quite angrily, "So, what the hell is this? We can spend $87 billion on Iraq to fund schools, roads and health care, but he won't do anything for people over here?"

Man, that really made an impression on me. That could be how we reach the moderates.

When we provide health care and education to every citizen of the US, its socialism and therefore is evil. But when we do it for a country we illegally invaded, we are saints...

Great post, Kentuck. I completely agree.
I see commentators all the time talking about how "angry" the Dems are, and how the "hate Bush".
Well, you are fucking right we are angry! I think we damn well have the right to be!
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:32 PM
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17. hammer meet nail head
you got it kentuck and that may yet be in their future if things don't change

peace
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:36 PM
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18. The right has always been terrified of popular violence
Especially from race riots, student demonstrations, and union mobs. I remember, before the civil right rights movement, when the NRA was still primarily a gun-safety hunters' club. All through the Nixon "law and order" years well into Reagan's attacks on student "stormtroopers", the white suburbs were terrified of hippie hedonists and a horde of black predators just waiting to steal their daughters and Impalas and RCAs.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:54 PM
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20. I think they were just as afraid of the Communists...
which they thought were going to take over in this country and throw them out of their privileged positions, which led to the Cold War and the trillions of dollars spent on a threat that was nowhere as dangerous as they thought.
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:38 PM
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19. It's time to turn anger into hope, idealism and compassionate action
That's what hasn't happened for some candidates yet. Being pissed off just to be pissed off changes nothing. Using your discontent as a springboard towards idealism and hopeful action towards the future is the only useful purpose anger serves.

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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:58 PM
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21. The best way to counter the anger accusations
Is to repeat over and over that Bush *WILL* reimplement a draft. Anger won't even begin to cover the backlash when that happens.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:25 PM
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22. the "Simmering Majority",,,,,,,nt
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Raenelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:27 PM
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23. The word "yet" springs to mind.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 03:28 PM
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28. I know plenty of Republicans completely disgusted by Bush actions
and are onboard to vote for ABB.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 03:43 PM
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29. Hear Hear
Edited on Sun Dec-07-03 03:44 PM by deutsey
The Dem "leadership" has poo-poo'ed our legitimate anger for too damn long (at least since 2000). If we don't have meaningful political outlets for our anger, I shudder to think what will happen.

What happens to a dream deferred? the poet asked.

Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?

Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.

Or does it explode?

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