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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 08:22 AM
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Janklow-tennis courts? pardon? tossed out?
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 08:25 AM by oscar111
so, will he get the watergate type of prison, and like those convicts, practice up on his tennis?

so, is ten yrs all?

so, will an appeals court toss it out on a technicality, as we so often see?

so, will he get a presidential pardon with no comment?

cyncerely,
cynic
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 08:59 AM
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1. I think killing people at stop signs is OK with Bush.
Oh dear that was nasty.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:40 AM
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13. Nasty, but true...as long as those killed aren't "real people"
which to Bush are members of the Imperial Family, their friends and allies (patsies not included Darryl Issa and Lee Harvey Oswald).

In other words, the Great Unwashed Masses are "Fodder Units" to the Imperial Family, to be pushed or pulled, defrauded and cheated, robbed and extorted, or even killed in order to fatten Imperial wallets.

I agree that killing people at stop signs is ok with the Imperial Family, so long as they are "fodder units".
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 09:04 AM
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2. It is a South Dakota conviction
not a federal one. So if he gets prison time(seeing is believing), he'll get time in whatever type of prison South Dakota may have. 10 yrs. is, again, South Dakota law. Here in Iowa, I think a person can get up to 25 years for vehicular homicide, obviously different law in S.D. An appeal is likely and the conviction may be thrown out. A presidential pardon is unlikely, as, again, it is a state charge, not a federal one, and would be a PR nightmare for bush. Any SD people out there who may shed some light on this?
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Southpaw Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 09:23 AM
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3. Not from SD
But the Washington Post reported this morning that Janklow is REAL nervous because in the state prison where he'll be held are still criminals that he convicted during his time as the state attorney general. :nopity: Could be interesting.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46887-2003Dec8.html

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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 09:59 AM
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4. there's always protective custody.
let him sit alone in his cell 23 hours a day.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:56 AM
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5. There's an old saying
that goes, "If you can do the crime, be ready to do the time". Janklow isn't above the law, so he better be ready to do the time.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:01 AM
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6. Country-club prison sentence with a year before "time" starts.
Win or lose, Bu$h will pardon Janklow after the 2004 "elections." Janklow will never see the inside of the slammer.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:06 AM
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7. Big Fine!
Guys like that are hurt more by a big hit to the wallet than they are by doing 18 months at a Holiday Inn that he just can't leave.

The sting would be much worse if he got hit with a $1 million dollar fine, and he was still open to civil litigation by the family of the victim.

Look anyone can have an accident. That's why they call them accidents, but this guy has a history of bad driving. That's not accidental, it's negligent. Negligence should come with consequences.
The Professor
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:11 AM
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9. Totally disagree. Send some rich white guys to jail, and they'll stop
thinking they get away with shit by buying their way out of being punished.

Also, it's not negligence.

He was convicted of a crime.

If the victims family wants to sue him for negligence, they can do that next. But he was definitely convicted of a crime.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:22 AM
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11. You Apparently Misunderstood
I don't know what you're arguing about. I never said, nor suggested, he didn't commit a crime.

Negligence is a crime. That's why there's a definition for manslaughter that is termed "Negligent Homicide". Look it up! You'll see i'm correct.

Misfeasance is a crime of negligence, as well. And, it too can be a felony.

My point was, i thought quite clearly, that his negligent behavior was the root of the incident, and that made it something other than a "mere" accident.

And, rich guys don't consider a huge fine to be buying their way out. They consider paying a big time lawyer to get off, buying their way out. The fine, if large enough, will get other rich guys' attention too. This would be some $25k fine, which to a multimillionaire, just means they have to wait a month to buy that Mercedes. A million bucks is a huge hit, especially to a guy with Janklow's net worth. And, if you like, make it even bigger. I don't care. I have no sympathy for the guy.

Look, my dad died from diabetes. But, he would never have been so negligent as to go 20 hours without eating, and then drive a car. That is simply asking for something bad to happen.

So, i don't know exactly what your disagreement is (aside from jail vs. fine), but you seem to have misread my earlier post.
The Professor



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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:59 AM
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14. And a REAL jail
Not club med. Let them hang out with the cream of the crop of criminals and see if they pull them stunts again.

A few months of being roomed with a violent convict is just what they need.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:09 AM
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8. I don't think Bush can pardon people for anything other than Fed crimes.
It would have to be the SD governor, provided their state constitution allows pardons, who pardons Janklow for state crimes.

I could be totally wrong.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:12 AM
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10. PREDICTION:
Janklow will get....

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Wait for it...


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PROBATION!

He won't do a day in jail. He will be released because he's "too old" and has already "paid the price" by "losing his political career".

In other words, one set of rules for the peasant rabble, and another set of rules for the ruling class elite. Same old same old, nothing new under the sun.

It's not like he killed another politician or a rich man.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:34 AM
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12. Last night on NPR, I heard that in SD if a person has been
convicted of a crime which is punishable by a sentence of more than two years, then that person cannot vote. The reporter indicated that this was a problem for Janklow since this law means that he has lost his right to vote in Congress as well, and therefore, cannot do his job there. Thus, it is necessary for him to step down.
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