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hertopos Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 01:07 PM
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Hard learned wisdom in Gore's endorsement
Look, we should learn by now that campaign itself is as important or sometimes more important than candidate himself. I think that was the most important part of Gore's message. Plus, we can at least change the tone of the dialogue. Let's not become mini-Greens in Democrat Party. Gore is the one remember 2000 more than anyone else!!
I don't think we can afford another Bush II for this country.
Gore's endorsement will affect a lot of undecided moderates among Democrats, that's my prediction. This endorsement may define Dean as a clear front runner.

Dean is sometimes too candid and ended up inconsistent or flip-flop. However, he is at least doesn't hide from that. That personality flaw may appeal to some hard core anti-Clinton moderate Republicans.

I repeat. I am not a Dean supporter but I like him. I am most impressed by his campaign. First of all, I will vote for anyone but Lieberman. Fortunately, with Gore's endorsement for Dean, I don't think I have to worry about the case of struggling between not voting at all and voting for Lieberman.

I am not asking anyone to endorse Dean. However, can we at least change the tone of dialogue? Make it more productive? I think it is good for Dean and his supporter to answer many questions rose about what Dean said.

I repeat. I am not a Dean supporter but I like him as a person. And maybe this is more important!! Though I love Bill Clinton, he started and perfected his era. Maybe we need someone like Dean to win.

His campaign is just amazing. The way his campaign inspires people are just so amazing.
Dean is a new type of presidential candidate. He does not have a larger than life charisma. In stead, he networks. While Clinton's charisma is like a centralized system, Dean's is a wide spread network.
Flexibility is everything.

It's a new world. Gore recognized that. Dean’s movement can counter Right wing fundamentalist Christian movement. This is something Green tried but failed before.

I am a supporter of Dean's movement or network.

Hertopos
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arendt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 01:19 PM
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1. Right, let's not throw the organizational baby out with the Dean bathwater
The Dean organization scares the entrenched
Plutocrats of both parties.

The Dean organization raises real money from
real middle-class voters in chunks large enough
to get anti-elitist ads on the air fast enough
to counter the GOP Big Lie campaign.

The Dean organization filters its blog and gets
issues that concern real people in front of the
campaign leadership.

This organization can rescue the population from
carpetbombing by the Pollster/Advertising Focus
Group domination.

I don't care what happens in the primaries; the
Dems have to keep this organization.

arendt
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 01:58 PM
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6. Good point
"He who pays the piper calls the tune." Even if you don't like Dean all that much, its better to vote for someone "beholden" to the people who pay to get him in office vs. the monied interest.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 02:52 PM
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12. Good post
Although, the big question is --do they want it? It seems insurmountable to us that they wouldn't considering this resurgence of party initiative and pride. Pride. But recall the attacks from the party leadership against the activists as if they were insurgents --. The DLC has it cushy but they are increasingly ineffective and irrelevant in this climate.
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arendt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 01:30 PM
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2. KICK - this deserves discussion n/t
n/t
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hertopos Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 01:50 PM
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3. exactly...
That's whay I separate being a supporter for Dean and being a supporter for Dean's campaign.

Check Skinner's thread. He is talking about the same point. I completely agree with him except though it's gamble, Dean's campaign is only key to the winning.

I don't think Clinton's successful approach no longer works. He completed his era. Period.

Hertopos
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Ficus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 01:54 PM
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4. Don't like Dean, admire his campaign
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 01:55 PM by Ficus
and Joe Trippi. I can give credit where credit is due.

After attending Camp Wellstone, I notice a lot of similarities between the two in regards to campaign style (minus the big money for Dean). I only wish Wellstone wouldn't have had the medical problems that kept him out in 2000, so I could see a real progressive do this on a nationwide scale.

:dem: :dem:
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hertopos Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 02:43 PM
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11. Yes, Dean raised a shit load of money...
but those are from each one of us.
I will send $100 when he is nominated right away.

I strongly believe that the campaign itself is as important as a candidate himself. I personally want Hilary to become a first woman president in future. For now, I want this country back to normal.

It has been a complete nightmare since we had this faux-administration.

Hertopos
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:05 PM
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14. Don't forget that Dean has been
receiving monies from freeps also..
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 01:56 PM
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5. Gore recognized that he could get into the action
I hope his ego is completely stroked now.

I believe in democracy, not some controlling Daddy state. Gore can shove it.
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hertopos Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 02:01 PM
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7. I am sorry but I don't see your point.
Can you explain. Dean's campaign is the most grass root movement I have seen for sometime and participants' political spectrum is fairly wide. Moderates and Greens working together.

I still believe in basic liberal philosphy; however, we need pragmatic approach to everyday problem.

Hertopos
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 02:07 PM
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8. a Clark supporter complaining about Gore's ego? that's rich.
like him or not, you can't deny that Gore spent his entire life preparing for the presidency. he paid his dues in politics and was superbly qualified. in contrast, Clark is shooting for the nation's top office without having won a single election. Clark was never even elected to the city council, yet somehow thinks he is qualified to lead the dem party to which he only switched 3 months ago.

Clark is like that bright high school graduate who applied for a position with a large corporation straight out of school, and put down that he was applying for the CEO position.

that's not just ego, that's supreme arrogance.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 02:55 PM
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13. your bitterness
is unbecoming.

Gore is a good man who makes a strong stand. Kudos to him.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 02:12 PM
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9. Front Runner
This endorsement may define Dean as a clear front runner.

Dean was the front runner long before this announcement.
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hertopos Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 02:23 PM
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10. What I meant
The biggest number was, I believe, 'undecide' or 'Hilary'.

Now, Dean is more likely to beat even these two.

Hertopos
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