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for our men and women over there , they are setting ducks and all the weapons in the world can't protect them

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Why do you suggest that "no one cares"? It's on all the news programs and the newspapers. People talk about it. It absolutely, postively is sickening. We need to get our boys home.

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And start polling in the urban areas where people actually read papers they might get a different result?

and everyone I know in a small town of 4,000 people in a strongly republican county care as well.

Maybe you could stop generalizing?

Maybe if they'd stop rigging the polling numbers people would realize that others have woken up and smelled the hypocrisy too.

In an article, not too long ago, it was stated that the reason Bush's poll numbers were high (and didn't reflect the general feeling here at DU) was because the poll takers were intentionally polling people in the heartland -- the red states.

Perhaps, that is why we still have people in favor of the Iraq war while the casualities increase.

shrub received following the the Qusay and Oday deaths. To give people the benefit of the doubt, I imagine some actually thought the deaths would help reduce the attacks on our troops. Hopefully, they know better now. The next shrub Iraq poll shouldn't be so kind.

in the same banner even. priceless. saving for posterity...

in the media other than x # of American soldiers died today. CBS is the only one I know of that does an occasional total update.

It is like freepers just don't care. Bush is seriously loosing that military vote. :shrug:

until one strongarms them to change their tone..is really sickening..

Should have mentioned more that they die day by the day I mentioned that the survivors will have a tough road too.

keep this up on the National Radar screen...everyone should call in, as often as they can...thanks...

I usually write down my main points, because I get nervous and forget and you only get a few seconds to say it...and say it powerfully...without all the uhhh, uhhh...

If I cant go to FR without getting nervous why would I dare call Limbaugh or some prick. So I called in to a liberal show. Gave my best wishes to AWD and Nancy Skinner to start it off. Guy yes hes the DUer with the show has said on the air that some republican people who hear things they never have heard before are starting to bolt so I hope maybe someone heard me today and realized somethings up. If I could convince one republican that his party is going to hell I think I would be proud of myself.

die, sort of in the background of everyday American life...
and now, on the lower part of page 26, section C is a list of today's dead...and life appears normal here in American during TWO fullblown wars, and more coming soon...the only abnormality is the occasional display of bush* trophy bloated human heads on TV...more are coming along, as bush* is now empowered to order many more political assassinations by our troops...

if bush* gets the numbers up to about 9 per day and keeps his wars going for a few more years (Afganistan going on TWO years, Iraq just achieved four months of daily killings of our soldiers)...bush* will exceed the amount of young Americans on the WALL....the draft has got to come soon...as H. Thompson noted: "our once mighty U.S. America is paralyzed by Mutinies in Iraq and even Fort Bragg"..ah yes, the draft...

is anyone adding the numbers together for OUR soldiers and allies deaths in both Afganistan and Iraq ?

sadly though, like Vietnam, we won't know how many killed until the "Iraq memorial death wall" goes up on the National Mall...that was the only time our Nation finally realized how many young men were killed in Vietnam...and it took months to figure it all out...as they said "we don't count deaths"...

Including most of our leaders. So it seems anyway. What bothers me its as if they prefer to stay there, and avoid at the truth. Thats plain cowardice to me.

To think of what is going across the Atlantic, and to think that so many Americans dont seem to give it much of a thought really. We go shopping, we go to movies, we go to lunch,lalalala, and we DONT talk about it. Seems like thats about as dysfunctional as a system can get.

I want to shake some of these people. Perhaps Im too cynical. If I had kids over there though, I dont know how I would be dealing with it right now, especially if I was pretty clued in to whats going, and if I believed that the overall reason for being there was oil, man, I would not be happy.

have to help folks like these get through to the American people.

Military Families Speak Out
www.mfso.org

and Vets groups such as,
www.bringthemhomenow.com

also, see my sig below, Pass it on!

killed...it's not confrontation...it's just a casual "hi" at a coffee shop, on the bus, or train, on a park bench...to uniformed military, or to anyone who looks like they might not know...

I just say: Did you know that 2 of our soldiers were KILLED today in Iraq???? depending on how the conversation goes, I might add: bush* hasn't gone to a single soldiers funeral...or, if it's a soldier, I note that bush* cut $90 Billion from Veteran's benefits...

and they usually look up and say things like: I thought the war was over.....I won't watch it anymore....no, I didn't know that, that's horrible...what a shame...that's terrible...and lots more people say: it's time to get bush* out of office...(especially the soldiers, because word is getting out)...

I feel that it's my own little effort to let people know...to honor our soldiers' lives...to mention it to someone every single day...it's like a meme...just mention it to someone every single day...word is getting out, even if the shrub keeps trying to stifle it by denying photographs of the coffins, failing to attend funerals, and underestimating the dead and maimed, and it's really ghastly that shrub keeps claiming that most are just vehicle accidents...people need to know about the carnage...please send the message along...

Everyone here on DU should do it.

Go to www.congress.org and then to its directory section. You can get the phone/fax/email/snail mail addresses for EVERYBODY in Congress and the Senate - both the local AND the Washington DC offices. Call some of them - your own and a couple of others. Tell them you care about this deeply!

Actually, there's so friggin' much to complain to them about - take yer pick!

But complain we must!

IF THEY THINK WE DON'T CARE, THEY WON'T EITHER!!!!

should try to write/email/phone their congressional reps often...

or like, calimary....just reach out and CALL any of them....get them off their asses.....I will up my calling to once every day...thanks.


keep the pressure on bush*

save our troops, bring our young soldiers HOME, alive...


Re-Defeat bush* in 2004....

It is shameful the way the pundits fail to ask this administration the really hard
questions about these deaths. FOX is shameful in the way they try to excuse this
misadministration for its savagery, incompetence, an aloofness concerning the deaths
of our men and women. All they care about is the next PR vicotory for the Bushites. The rest
of the media is not far behind them...and guess why...with PNAC pundits at the helm of almost
every talk show...the public doesn't stand a chance of learning iimportant truths.

have their eye only on Israel and the end game. they are in denial of our troops being killed in Iraq, for the greater good that God will find that he can now return to earth and fullfill their dremas of the rapture.

then it's time to have them do a REALITY CHECK..doesn't matter if they're freepers or not, they NEED to wake up QUICK because now they're drafting medics, and whatever else, and don't think they're not going to be screaming their asses off...this is one disgraceful nightmare..If those in DC want a draft, then let THEM go to the head of the line whether they've been there or not, and as we know, there's only a few who've been to war or even in the military!

It's the first thing I do every morning - listen to the NPR news in the hopes that nobody got killed overnight in Iraq, unfortunately that's not often.

ABC and CBS are all over the continuing deaths, every night they mention the death toll since the carrier photo-op, when * stated that major operations had ended. The "bring 'em on" comment has also been mentioned.

Shrub's poll numbers are continuing to dive, he'll never go below 30% because that's the hard-core Bush-is-God faction, but I don't think he'll sustain over 50% from now on.

I worry very much about the nature of the injuries which are being sustained apart from the deaths. I've heard reports of major trauma from the medics in germany where they are sent from Iraq. There must be some very damaged young men and women and I truly regret what's happened to them all over a fucking set of lies and manipulations.

Satan's got a nice warm spot reserved for the Boy-King.

We lost a lotta boys in recent wars going back to WW2.

We care.

Come, we look at PunchBowl on memorial Day.

(sorry, no can make link, close eyes for 4 seconds and visualize flowers.)

As hallowed a place as Arlington and Gettysburgh. For those who haven't been there, it includes a Court of the Missing listing the names of all the soldiers, sailors, and airmen whose bodies were lost in action or buried at sea during WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. More names than I care to think about.

How many more graves are going to be added to the Punchbowl because of Dumbya's war for oil remains to be seen. Disgusting to even think about.

A picture of the Punchbowl



And a link

http://www.neto.com/allenw/pb.htm

...I am afraid the numbers will have to increase dramatically before people begin to see the writing on the wall and are ready to call it quits over there. And I am completely convinced that the Iraqi's will be only happy to oblige them and provide the sufficient numbers of dead American soldiers to convince them if it has to comes to that. We don't seem to be able to take a hint that we are not welcome very well. Its a damn shame it has to come to that too. Signs of a very sick country if you ask me. The number of dead soldiers has to go beyond most peoples "comfort level" (whatever the hell that is?) before they will concede they were wrong and that the US soldiers should come home from Bush's little adventure now.

Don

The rethug hate machine will continue its grotesque spin ,
and shrub will never conceed a mistake regardless of where people's comfort levels are. Besides, his base is blindly loyal; they will never be swayed be any facts- not as long as they have demons like Limpball to explain it away for them.

...if we play our cards right against the spin. We can beat Bush next year in the general election. There is no dout in my mind.

Don

candidate...you can't get much worse than that going into the final year of a Presidential election...

the major effort is to get the YOUNG people out to vote, and vote ONLY for the Democratic Candidate....to save their own lives...

reTHUGlicans are already working hard to split the vote by working on the Greens, and others...that drain of votes will truly elect bush*...if young people could only understand that simple old-time polical strategy...

our efforts could also get some people to jump the reTHUGlican ship and come over to the Democratic Candidate...at our recent DC Democratic strategy meeting, most felt that there is a large percentage of reTHUGlicans who are actually reasonable middle-of-the-road Americans who could vote Democratic, as they watch the bush* spectacle (especially bush* recent bloody trophy display of bloated human heads...)...these people need to realize that shrub is DANGEROUS and that the current reTHUGlicans are a party of extremists and religiously insane fanatics that do not represent their American values...

take a look, the "Agressive Progressives", get involved...
Re-Defeat bush* in 2004....
www.democrats.com

and I'm to the point of getting nauseous at every death announced. Even though I opposed the war I did expect casualties but I believe it's going over the "acceptable" level. I expect that we won't really see the media outrage until the young folk coalesce like they did for the Vietnam War. That's probably just around the corner.

have been placed in harms way by an uncaring,greedy,bunch of unelected sons and daughters of satan.

Not.

they don't need to talk about US casualties in Iraq. U.S. dead is old news. It's so pre-JUne 17.

Remember, the press can only handle one story at a time- or maybe it's the dumb-ass American public that can only attend to one hot story at a time.

bring em on.

Please don't say 'no one cares' because that obviously isn't true.

....and can do the John Wayne wannabe act.

When the pretzeldent is bringing pious honor and dignity to the white house you get a free pass from whiteous wingnuts for blunders such as laying your kids handcuffed in traffic during rush hour.

the NYTimes link now says -

headline:
"5 G.I.'s Killed in Iraq in 24 Hours
By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr."