bartcop does gore endorsement

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"Since Gore refused to fight after promising all democrats that he would, could Dean suffer a backlash since Gore, the "non-fighter," says Dean's the man for the job?"

He fought it all the way to the Supreme Court. Where should he have gone from there?

Gore played softball, which may be the high road, but it's not the way to deal with thugs in your midst. The SCOTUS should never have considered the case. They should have deferred to the Congress. Gore should have stated this clearly. He capitulated, which was his right to do. But, he must live with that choice, which includes the fact that, in the face of adversity, he gave up.

Elections should never be "given up."

where was he anyways?

i remember is bush assembling his transition team while the counting was still going on.

but darned if i can say where al was...

was planning to remake our whole system of government from an open democracy to...whatever it is now that they are hiding from us.

The Supreme Court aside, the Gore campaign didn't have someone to counter James Baker, a man who pounded the Bush campaign line loud and often. Gore tried to sit it out and 'stay above' the mess.

Warren Christopher was the counter to Baker...

... to Baker and the Brooks Brothers riot in the streets of Florida.

Granted it was a poor choice of legal strategy to persue overvotes only (David Boise to blame for that), but President Gore fought to the bitter end (when SCOTUS handed down its crooked decision). Remember, the media was already painting Gore as a "sore loserman." What else could he have done at that point?

It's pissing me off that some so-called Democrats are trashing President Gore this way... It's fucking sad!!!

I like this graphic MUCH better! lol

Thanks!

the "states righters" GOP/Bush gang went running to SCOTUS when they didn't like the decision of the state, i.e. the Florida Supreme Court which had okayed a statewide recount. Remember slimey James Baker's claim that his client, Bush, would be hurt by counting all the votes..

Gore blew it by not requesting a statewide recount from the get go. You must read Too Close to Call by Jeffrey Toobin. Gore wanted to be above the fray; he called off protesters for our side in Florida! Meanwhile the repukes went for the jugular.

State law said it had to be county by county and a statewide recount could not be requested.

After the Supreme Court, it was out of Gore's hands and into the hands of Congress, where Kerry, Lieberman and Edwards rolled over.

he's doing the same thing now. He's trying to unite the party now, in order to keep it in good shape to beat Bush, in the interest of the country.

Gore just managed to antagonize a good percentage of the 80% of Dem voters who aren't supporting Dean. He kicked sand in a lot of faces - and I hope the party doesn't pay with its life.

he goes out of his way NOT to antagonize the supporters of the other candidates.

Notice he says that when he dropped out he was going to do this for one of the candidates. Well he's doing it, and I think he's doing it in the best possible way, even though I don't like his choice very much.

I don't think Gore endorsing Dean is going to bring the end of the Democratic Party . . .

The problem is that the Repubs would never put the interest of the country before the interests of the Republican Party. That's because they believe that the Republican party IS our country and our government.

The truth is that our country and government are what we make it. We DO still have a voice, however muted it may be. In a presidential election, there should never be a capitulation. If a race is close, you just say it's close. You don't throw in the towel and say, I'm doing this so the country can be unified. Is that what we are now? Unified? I think not.

By your assertion, for the sake of the whole country, Gore gave up, allowing the events of 9/11 to be handled by a Texas Sherrif, allowing our tax system to be abused, allowing our surplus to be wasted, allowing our military to be sacrificed...it just doesn't make sense.

And, if i may, though it's true that noone could have predicted in 2000 that all of these things would happen with certainty, I knew that Bush would pursue this agenda and that his reactions were predictable in the face of adversity, which is the main reason I opposed his candidacy. It is our task to see these qualities in people before we elect them. By all accounts, everyone misjudged Bush*, even the Republicans.

he conceded to Bush on election night, and then called back and retracted the concession. A very extraordinary action, and then battled for a month down in Florida.

Because of that, I think it's fair to conclude that Gore was absolutely convinced that he simply could not possibly get the presidency back from Bush. Bush stole it, and that was it. It went to the Supreme Court, where does he go from there, to the streets? To the UN? The military?

Anyway, no discussion about Gore "giving up" is worth very much without any mention of what he did do, agree or disagree with how it ended up.

his political instincts are not the best and injecting himself in the race at this point before the first primary, before the first vote only causes supporters of other candidates to dig in for the long haul. It doesn't unite crap.

I'm pissed BUT not because I'm for Clark. Rather because Gore has a lot of negatives for many in the general electorate (that's one big reason why the 2000 race was close enough to be stolen). Even among many Dems then, his support did not represent genuine enthusiasm for him but rather total antipathy toward Bush.

Dean was doing just FINE without him. In fact, Dean was on a roll (he nearly converted me with his FL and SC speeches this past weekend). Now his name will be linked with Gore and that means with Gore's perceived negatives (serial liar, insipid sigher, disorganized campaigner, wooden man with the tin ear ...). The pundits will morph this into a Gore v Bush referendum with the panderers going even further out of their way to support Bush.

Thus, Gore could actually HURT Dean. This is not a good move nor one that serves to unify. Unity and efforts thereto are most appropriate at the END of the primary season not before they have even begun.

I wish Dean the best and will ardently support him if he becomes the our nominee, but Gore should have shut the fuck up. He's 2 (?3) and zip for the presidency; he has listened to the wrong people, heeded the wrong advice (remember both Bill Daley and Holy Joe wanted to throw the towel in ..) he either does too little too late or too much too soon. Read Too Close to Call!

I heard they endorsed Kerry or Clark (can't recall which right now)...so how does this tireless champion for Al Gore now feel after he endorsed Dean?

Coming soon - Bartcop talks smack on Gore. Watch for it.

he begged us all to send cash so he could start his bartcop radio deal.
guess what. he sucks on the radio. and he rarely updates his website (check the dates for a week). when he does update the site, it's the same old 'tutu dems/ spineless dems/ gore didn't fight' crap.

bart used to be edgy and fun.

I stopped going there about 6 months ago because its no longer funny.

Bartcop's a Clarkie. Fine by me --

I like BC- I really do; I check his site almost everyday- but the guy has issues and he can love & hate you in the same 10 minutes. Self-deprecating and petulant all on the same page- he's a study in contradictions.

But the Mother Humper is funny; one of the few people I read who makes me laugh at loud.

He can support who he wants- it's not changing my view.

I'll stick with Dean.

Anyone who reads BC for more than a week knows how volitile he can be.

It's just Bart.

I don't think so. He preserved his own future electibility by capitulating.

A man who revered democracy more than his own political career would have forced the Constitutional process to continue to the bitter end, in Congress.

If they're trying to effect a coup, make them take the reins of government publicly, visibly. Ride the process until the bitter end. Don't slink away. Don't sigh and laugh, as Gore did on December 13 when the members of the Congressional Black Caucus BEGGED for a senator to challenge the Florida vote.

He played into the bait of appearing "statesmanlike" and "gracious" in order to run again.

I felt betrayed then, and betrayed now.

(And for those who say he was avoiding civil war, I say this: sooner or later, we're going to have to confront the Pugs. Sooner or later, we're going to have to duke this out. Maybe it would have been better to do it in 2000 when our world was in better shape and our country's finances were sound than to do it in 2004? Hmm? THEY are not going to stop if Dean's elected. Bet the farm on that.)

is pointless and is not even worth discussing on this board.

His site sucks, his commentary ISN'T funny, and he has quickly dwindling support base.

Within the coming months, I very seriously doubt he will even HAVE a website anymore.