Am I the only one who feels bad for Lieberman?

I mean, I don't like his policies at all. But he didn't even find out about Gore's endorsement until the media called, after he waited until Gore stepped out to enter the race.

I don't care what you think of the endorsement itself, but that just seems like an extremely disrespectful gesture.

I feel bad for him, but who knows, he may come out stronger.

:D

in 2000. To receive respect, one must also give it. Lieberman can go jump in a lake, I have no sympathy for him.

n/t

Gore should have waited until after NH.

Is anyone allowed to throw their support behind a candidate until New Hampshire has spoken in it's infinite wisdom?

candidate. None of you--except maybe Will Pitt--seem to be completely aware of exactly how dangerous a precedent Gore has set.

But this is good for the Democratic Party. If Hillary or Bill get behind a non-Dean candidate, then I expect all of you Dean kids who are currently arguing that "Gore has the right to express his opinion like any other private citizen" will be good sports, if that happens.

Maybe there are extenuating circumstances. But it certainly seems that at the very least, he should have called Lieberman and worked out a graceful way to make the announcement.

Unfortunately, I think the entire Gore campaign was fraught with errors in judgment (e.g., not utilizing Bill Clinton to get out the message and the vote). So it would not surprise me if this is simply another case of good intentions not executed well.

But it certainly seems that at the very least, he should have called Lieberman and worked out a graceful way to make the announcement.

That's what I meant - he would have been nice to let him know before he announced it to the world.

...he's a whiner who has only polled halfway decently in this race because he has the name recognition from the 2000 campaign. Whenever something doesn't go his way, he attacks his opponents, bashes his party, and undermines our message by whining about it on right wing hate radio.

He thinks Gore owes him support, BS! Gore doesn't owe him anything. Lieberman should quit NOW! I do know there were many calls to Kennedy's office a couple weeks ago and many people were calling to let Kennedy know that they'd like Lieberman to step down.

It would have been courteous for Gore to call Lieberman.

Remember how HE dissed Gore last year at this time??? How can anyone feel sorry for the shithole??? Gore owes Lieberman NOTHING.

He still doesn't get it. Wants it both ways - praises invading Iraq, and says Bush has mismanaged it. It was a foregone conclusion it would be mismanaged Lieberman, you dimwiited fascist fuckface.

here's an article that's linked to the main screen of aol..

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=615&u=/nm/20031209/pl_nm/politics_lieberman_dc_1&printer=1

GORE CALL CAME "TOO LATE"
He said he asked Gore for his widely sought endorsement as recently as a month and a half ago, and was surprised he did not hear from Gore before the news of the endorsement broke on Monday. Gore called him on Tuesday morning. "It was about four or five minutes in length and too late," Lieberman said of the call from Gore. He refused to say if he was angry about the decision, or to question Gore's loyalty.

though if Holy Joe was disrespected, I'm down with that too.

Gore was smart enough to recognize that America won't put up with "business as usual" politics. I think Gore's decision to back Dean epitomizes the struggle within the party... it's the voice of the people versus the voice of corporate constituency and lobbyists... and Gore is siding with the people.

For years! He stabbed him in the back during the recount.
In addition, Holy Joe's a Pug in Dem drag; almost always
supporting Bush, including Bush's Iraq oil grab.

I think Joe was long overdue for a bitch-slapping.
I applaud Prez Gore for his refusal to speak to or for someone who has so betrayed him and his country.

I am no real fan of Mr. Lieberman, but I had a brief moment of compassion for him tonight. It did not last all that long, but it was genuine, I swear.

....don't worry too much about it. Joe has enough self-pity that he really doesn't need ours.

It WAS a weird sensation to think I felt bad for him, even for that brief moment...

He deserved to get smacked down.

seriously, I wish Gore had been able to inform him before....That would have been the statesmen-like way to handle it- perhaps he DID try as he has said.


Nonetheless, my opinion is influenced more by the backstabbing manner in which Lieberman has dealt with all of us-- his "democratic" constituency. So, no, I don't pity him.

eom

:evilgrin:

Holy Joe stabbed Gore in the back long ago with his
comments about the 'populist' campaign. Gore owed
him one, AFAIK.

He signed on (happily) to almost every frickin thing Smirk does....

Why should he think Gore would support him, the Enabler?

If it's decorum you seek, it ain't gonna be in the new breed of anti-Republicans way of doing things.

LIEBERMAN SHOULD DROP OUT.

Sorry I'm answering my own post, but hey, maybe Joe saw that damn writing on the wall weeks ago. Whining now for airtime.

I've always said that Lieberman is a MOLE!

As far as I'm concerned he and the rest of the Congressional Democratic war enablers (they know who they are) can live with that in their nightmares till the end of their days.

Feel sorry for Joe? You have to be joking.

Gore should've given him a heads up. After all Joe waited until Gore said he wouldn't run for '04. But it's a tough business amd feelings get hurt.

He can crawl under it.

he is a warmongering fool

personally, I don't think Lieberman actually has his own opinions, I just think he tries to pander to get votes...

Seriously how ya doing Skittles...

I know this isn't the right place, but what have you sent the soldiers lately...hopefully not fruitcake!!!!!

I think I'm going to figure out a way to send them something good like hushpuppies...

lol, my last package had more than fruitcakes - lots of goodies. Just thinking about the next one - I'll probably include some warm clothes. Poor guys.

Don't *pity the fool*, even if you're Mr T.

Joe's feelings, or the entire worlds freedom from smirk. Believe me, he'll get over it.

feel sorry for all those Iraqis maimed or killed and our soldiers who've died that Lieberman happily sent over there. How about you feel sorry for them.

Do I feel sorry for Lieberman? Not a fucking chance.

Hell yes, I feel sorry for them. But your comment is a complete non-sequitur.

insurance companies. Could somebody please cut the cord to his mic?

I do not like Lieberman but I thought it was a rather low blow that he was dealt. I don't buy the "we tried to call him" bit. Please.

I can't believe the irony of a candidate who was pushed aside in a judiciary coup trying to ursurp the democratic process in his own party. IT'S THE DEMOCRACY STUPID. Let the people choose the candidate.

I think old Al's gone a long way toward re-positioning his ideological take on things. At the same time he's cutting through all the quotidian, ass-kissing politics-as-usual crap. (In other words, he's reclaimed his own soul.)

3 cheers for Gore. That was one hell of a speech. I'm not in the least bit surprised that he's gone out and endorsed Dean.

On the other hand, Lieberman's part of the problem, not part of the solution. He's pro-tax-cut, pro-Bush/Cheney/neo-con-Kristol-Perle-Wolfowitz-et on Iraq, and soft on, or pro-way-too-many other Republican B.S. screw-America policies.

Welcome to DU! :toast:

I like your thinking...Gore is going with the flow...as we all should...

But never mind....sorry for interrupting your tirade.

Gore completely mishandled this endorsement and I say this as someone who has contributed to the Draft Gore movement. His failure to observe the basic courtesies backfired on him and put the press focus on his faux pas instead of on his endorsement.

This is not savvy politics.

Frankly, I think Lieberman is handling himself very well lately. But then I am not a committed Lieberman basher. I think Gephardt and Kerry are hurt more than Lieberman by this endorsement because they have more to lose in the next primaries. If Gephardt loses Iowa, he is dust. If Kerry loses New Hampshire, he is dust. That leaves Lieberman standing, along with Clark. Edwards is no longer a factor.

eom

Probably.

Lieberman is sacrificed by Gore as the bad luck charm... and i believe rightfully so, due to his neocon-centrism, i have no respect for his politics whatsoever. Gore SHOULD distance himself from anyone that neocon, and if it involves diplomatically dunking the man's head in the toilet for a swirlie, then now's the time... Gore needs to pin his public frustration on one career on another, and best it lies on the contribution of less merit between them... if gore had to step down, liebermand should have stayed down also, he totally missed the ettiquette. Now he's standing, he should be sacrificed and the ashes of the last election scattered. Mr. Gore is the right man to do that job.

I get one thing about Mr. Gore's idea, and i have a conspiriacy theory... that if all the dem candidates suddenly show up together on a stage next week having formed a unified administration between themselves of party unity, with i guess mr. dean as president, mr. clark as whatever job he's best at, mr kucinich in his best most effective role, and each of the candidates with their dream job in a unity administration of goodwill towards all people... i see that lovely vision... call off the election and lets have a unified party.... oh..! don't we do that AFTER THE PRIMARY!!!! uuhh!!

Its hard to feel sorry for a guy who pushes your buttons and infuriates you almost every time he speaks. Do I think Gore kind of fucked Lieberman over? probably.. If I were Gore I would still harbor a lot of resentment for Holy Joe after the recount debacle.
SCott

Joe the Holy is upset because Al Gore didn't call him on the phone to tell him that he was endorsing Howard Dean. I'm assuming here he wanted to be the first to hear the news. Or did he want Gore to endorse him?

Either way, what difference does it make? Why should it be an issue whether he called Joe the Court Jester. He's still not endorsing him. Would it make him feel better, so could somehow save face.

So it doesn't matter.

in the BAck! Did that ever upset you?

He needs to stand up and be a Democrat.

Anybody here remember that?

Karma's a bitch, ain't it, Joe:evilgrin:

It's like a boomerang Joe.

Why is this silly Repub talking point being raised by respectable Dems and liberals? It's just a diversion to discredit Gore and thus the Dems in general, as well as anyone Gore endorses. More noise. Tune it out, move on. Gore and Lieberman were running mates, not lovers.

because it was handled clunkily. ..although I understand that Gore wanted to call the other candidates and was pre-empted by the leak about the endorsement.

BUT I can't comment about the endorsement WITHOUT also saying that "feeling bad" for Joe is tempered by the fact that he is a DINO and hasn't got a prayer and has run an extremely tone deaf campaign.

So, if you want me to feel bad for Joe because he was dissed by Gore, I will. But I'll also say that in the big picture, whether or not Joe was treated badly is like waaaaay down on the scale.

eileen from OH

so sorry for ya.

He should have also called Kerry and Gephardt too since they both endorsed him and he worked with them in congress.

Fuck "Holy Joe".

Wimpy, puke-ass-kissing DINO repuke wannabe!

With a smile and a smirk - he showed his opinion of himself and it reeked of superiority and criticism of Gore...he voted for the war...he goes out of his way to play centrist when he's actually right of center on way too many things. He goes out of his way to applaud the current administration. And he appears to be takng a lot of money from lobbyists (not sure if it's more than other Senators).

Besides the right wing LOVES him.

He hasn't been true to Gore and the Democrats - why could he expect more? Therefore he doesn't need sympathy.

Now, I'll repeat it again - he voted for the war - with generous, not cautious words.

Regardless of the reason, it was bad form and not the gentlemanly thing to do for Gore not to let Lieberman know ahead of time. Not that Lieberman expected the endorsement; he should not have been caught off guard like that and found out the way he did.

His hurt expression was the most compelling statement he has communicated to date. Joe's moving to NH in January to continue to push granite up the hill. He has got to leave NH if he expects this good will to last. If Gore had called him we wouldn't be seeing him or hearing about this on every channel I've watched today. It's not like he and most of the others shouldn't be in the Senate or House, pounding on Frist, Hatch, Delay and Armey.

Is there a bite me emotican?

Heck no I don't feel bad for him!

The man sounded like more of a Puke tonight than I have ever heard him!

:puke:

he is so pitiful and he is trying to put on a brave face. Even Dean looked shameface in the debate. But Trippi is taking full blame for dropping the ball in not notifying him about the endorse before the press did. Now that is a campaign manager.

This actually has helped him because now he's getting "pity support and attention" when he wasn't getting any attention at all before. Initially his pride was probably wounded, but I'm sure he had to know that Gore wasn't going to support him. At this point I think Lieberman is loving it because everyone wants to talk to him because Americans take some kind of sick pleasure in putting someone on the spot and trying to catch them when they're down.

No one should feel sorry for him at all because he's actually getting people to listen to him now.

Well... maybe a little pity. I just can't help myself..

Gore's kind of a dick, but hey, that's the way it goes. Politics is not necessarily for nice guys nor the faint of heart.

Then he must have missed the SNL show when Gore hosted!

Bwahaahah!

The Lieberman in the hot tub scene? Oh mah GAWD! Dissssssss....

If Liebermen was caught by surprise, then he's a fool. I think he's just playing a sympathy card, which does not trump Dean's endorsement card. Not by a long shot.