Dean's comments on Uday and Qusay

I just caught a few seconds of "Kudlow & Cramer," where Larry Kudlow was attacking Dean with Mary Matalin. Frankly, after reading his comments in The Guardian, they don't seem to be that bad. Some are taking them out of context.

Should I be disgusted by Howard Dean's comments on Uday and Qusay? Will this hurt Dean? And are the comments by Matalin that the Democrats stand for nothing but Bush hatred accurate?

do you have a link?

thanks

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I first saw a clip of a piece from The Washington Times:

Sen. John McCain expressed indignation that Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean would dismiss the deaths of Saddam Hussein's sons with the words "The ends do not justify the means." "I am astonished. A lot of people have compared me with Governor Dean. I could not disagree with him more — to say that the end doesn't justify the means," Mr. McCain, Arizona Republican and former presidential candidate, said Wednesday on MSNBC's "Hardball" with Chris Matthews. "The ends were the eradication of two psychotic, murdering rapists, and the means were through legitimate use of the American military helped out by some excellent information that they gained," Mr. McCain said. "How in the world someone could in any way think this end was not justified by anything, which was the removal of two odious characters, frankly, is beyond me. And I think, frankly, Mr. Dean does the nation a great disservice when he doesn't recognize how wonderful an event this is and how important it is to the morale of the troops that these guys are gone. I mean, our troops serving in Iraq.

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20030724-113353-5296r.htm

And the comments appeared in The Guardian, at least that's one of the places:

MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) - Presidential candidate Howard Dean, a staunch opponent of the U.S.-led war against Iraq, shrugged off the deaths of Saddam Hussein's two sons Tuesday, saying ``the ends do not justify the means.'' He scolded Democratic rivals for backing the conflict.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-2938221,00.html

``It's a victory for the Iraqi people ... but it doesn't have any effect on whether we should or shouldn't have had a war,'' Dean said. ``I think in general the ends do not justify the means.''


still doesn't mean the lies it took to get over there are ok now even if those guys were total shitheads and it's good for the iraqi people they are dead.

the deaths of those two fools does not justify the war. Of course I said it to my wife and Dean said it on national TV.

DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES

"I am astonished. A lot of people have compared me with Governor Dean. I could not disagree with him more..."

"The ends were the eradication of two psychotic, murdering rapists, and the means were through legitimate use of the American military..."

1. The ends were never described to the UN, the American people, Congress or the world via SOTU speech as the above....

2. It is not a legitimate use of American military to target and assassinate leaders of state...

For crissakes even the Nazi's got a trial. This was not an example of American justice.

http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/7/22/185139

(snips)

"It's a victory for the Iraqi people," he told reporters, "but it doesn't have any effect on whether we should or shouldn't have had a war."

"I think in general the ends do not justify the means."

There's nothing wrong with what Dean said. Remarks to the contrary may be chalked up to partisan politics.

I understand that. But if enough shit is thrown, some of it is bound to stick. I just don't want Dean's comments to fuck him over.

They are so inside the beltway and so obviously out of touch what most Americans think about politics. Plus, either Kudlow or Kramer ( they are so boring I cannot differentiate the two) one looks like a pug and the other one looks "ginned up". How do they get their ratings?

Just mention "Buisness" once in a while.

he doesnt make stupid statements. What he says is true. killing Saddams sons doesnt justify an illegal invasion. it doesnt justify Bushes lying campaign

It doesn't justify the same people starting this mess during the Nixon and Reagan administrations, CONTINUING in the creation of terrorists and "Uday"s and "Qusay"s in the Current Administration....the likes of which could only exist in a world dominated by right-wing war-mongers....

I remember flipping through channels recently and they were on. They were speaking somewhat rationally for them and I said to my hubby, "those two are lunatics" and he laughed, because at the moment they didn't look it.

They make me ill.

Julie

and the 'end' here seems to be killing homicidal maniacs, we better start invading every country that has a serial killer and bomb, burn, and destroy entire towns until we have killed them.

wasn't there any democrat or liberal there with them ? or were those two just going on by themselves ?

dean is 150% absolutely correct!

why is it that dean is the only one who sees through the bullshit?

if we "find" saddam tomorrow, the ends will STILL not justify the means...


dean speaks for me...

Two guys (incognito) hiding in their cousin's house.

Thousands of integrated Saudis, Afghans, Pakistanis, Iranians, Syrians, Egyptians, and Yemeni men and women hiding in the desert and suburbs ready to strap bombs to themselves and their kids.

Who is the bigger threat?