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giantrobot_2000 Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:24 AM
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Howard "The Outsider" Dean hires Bush's fundraiser
"The newest supporter of former Gov. Howard Dean of Vermont is super-lobbyist Ron Book, who is a host for a Dean presidential campaign fund-raiser later this month. Wait a minute! Isn't this the same Book who raises money for President Bush and his baby brother, Jeb? "This is money for the Democratic primary," Book quickly points out. In other words, Dean now is running only against Democrats, so any money Book raises will not hurt Bush. ... "

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/columnists/sfl-cpol06dec06,0,4315209.column?coll=sfla-news-col
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:29 AM
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1. read between the lines
"so any money Book raises will not hurt Bush"

And maybe even help him....
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 03:16 AM
Response to Reply #1
73. The Republicans could print their whole game plan
for the 2004 election and distribute it free of charge and still the Dean supporters would refuse to face reality.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:40 AM
Response to Reply #73
88. Yep!
How true.
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dajabr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:29 AM
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2. Wher does it say he's on the payroll?
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giantrobot_2000 Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:31 AM
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6. Oh really?
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 12:32 AM by giantrobot_2000
"ANYONE can host a fundraiser for Dean."

Even Republican super-lobbyists who worked for none other than the Bush boys, even the one who stole the 2000 election? Dean sure is pitching a BIG TENT!
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:34 AM
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10. Great! He can join the club!
New Hampshire Republican for Dean
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/002058.html

(and retired Gen Merrill McPeak is changing his registration to vote for Dean)

Republicans for Dean
http://atlblogs.com/republicansfordean/

Independents for Dean
http://deanindependents.org/

Libertarians for Dean
http://libertariansfordean.blogspot.com/

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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:01 AM
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38. Did Rove join yet? Bill Safire? Novak? I know Tucker Carlson's
a card carrying member by now. Who else is in there? Maybe you should send them those links.
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dajabr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #38
45. Oooooooh.....scary!
But not working on me...

This pretty much sums up my opinion of the "Clark messiah/Dean unelectable" meme:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=865531
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:42 AM
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89. Eloriel! You don't need to convince us there are repubs for..
Dean. We've been telling you that all along. The point is, a lot of them are only for Dean for the primary races. In the general election they will vote for bush.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 04:12 PM
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95. So the GOPers will make a bait and switch? Your evidence?
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dajabr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:35 AM
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13. Yes...
ANYONE.

Not a "hub and spoke" campaign. They have ceded control over the outside "edge" of the organization.

Google Joe Trippi, he talks about it a lot.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:30 AM
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3. So turning a former Bush fundraiser against the GOP is bad?
Good lord. The lengths some of you people go to slime Dean. Boggles the mind.



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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:33 AM
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7. It's the same sort of slime I have been putting up with since June...
People have been trying to "guilt" Clark by association
ever since he came on the radar screen.

Frankly, I don't think the GOP'er being for Dean means anything.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:35 AM
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11. Oh well now...
Ask yourself what you would say if Kerry did this, huh? BTW there's a freeper on the LBN thread of Dean, the most recent one, seriously, go insult there. :evilgrin: hurry before he is tombstoned.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 05:15 AM
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80. I'd say the same thing I'm telling you
...that such criticism is fucking stupid. Any dem candidate who could recruit a rethug to work for the dems is a clever person and it's a benefit to all of us. Labor is labor.

Swear to the Gods, some of you antiDeans are outdoing yourself with the sour grapes and venom over the last couple of days. Do you have any idea how childish you come across?


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:43 AM
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:51 AM
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30. Ron Book was a Graham staffer
http://tinyurl.com/yjrj

''My feelings were hurt,'' said Ron Book, a Miami lobbyist and former Graham aide who has raised thousands for the campaign. ``I raised a bunch of money for the guy, I've been extraordinarily loyal to the guy. It's 5:41 the day after, and I'm still waiting on the phone call.''
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/politics/6963008.htm

This news item could be a Rove plant.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:07 AM
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43. Nonsense. Ron Book is one of the best-known lobbyists
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 01:07 AM by BillyBunter
in Florida. He was a staffer for Graham -- big deal. He primarily raises funds for Repubs, but lobbies for anything that moves, and is a big-time lobbyist for Dupont. Dean the outsider. Dean the anti-corporate crusader. Dean the straight shooter. Riiiiight.
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dajabr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #43
53. See post #52 (nt)
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #3
56. If Clark had done it, DU would collectively shit its pants.
The lengths that DUers have gone to slime Clark...
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robsul82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:31 AM
Response to Reply #56
68. Heh, I gotta second that...
...on the fecal-dropping, that is.

Later.

RJS
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:33 AM
Response to Reply #56
70. not at all
repubs fundraising for Clark - that doesn't bother me. he can't choose his supporters. OTOH, Clark fundraising for repubs - that does bother me. Clark can choose whom he supports, and he chose to support repubs. that's a deal breaker for me. you might argue that he's had a change of heart since then. OK, i can dig it. but then he should still have to prove his creds, pay his dues as a dem before running for the top position. but he hasn't done that.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 05:22 AM
Response to Reply #56
83. Respectfully, you're fantasizing.
Really. I don't know where you and some other Clark supporters are coming up with all this "slime" you say has targeted your candidate. I think he's gotten some, as have most of the candidates - and I still bet you money that there has been more leveled at Howard Dean than any of the others.

I suggest that, instead of painting me with a single pattern of behavior that you attribute to Clark attackers, you read the individual posts of Dean people and respond to them in that regard.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #56
101. Exactly
Well said.
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:30 AM
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4. hm - so Dean "hires" a GOP fundraiser;
but Clark IS a GOP fundraiser.
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giantrobot_2000 Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:33 AM
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8. Hang on
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 12:34 AM by giantrobot_2000
"but Clark IS a GOP fundraiser."

So is Clinton also a "GOP fundraiser"? Hang on in the next few weeks. if you catch my drift...
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #8
90. Nice try...
...but anwser the question, rookie.

Clark IS a GOP fundraiser, isn't he?????
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #4
15. no, hosting a house party isn't a paid thing
All volunteerm period.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:31 AM
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5. I' ll take a look. Welcome to DU.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:33 AM
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9. hey, didn't Clark do a fundraiser for the GOP?
Stop casting stones when you're sitting in a glass house.
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giantrobot_2000 Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #9
12. Not casting stones.
Not casting stone, just want everyone to be well informed and think PRAGMATICALLY in this upcoming, crucial election.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #12
14. I'd suggest that others do so when they think about Clark doing
GOP fundraisers in the past.
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giantrobot_2000 Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #12
16. Karl Rove
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 12:40 AM by giantrobot_2000
Isn't it a little strange that the infamous Florida Republicans are falling all over themselves to get Dean the nomination?

Do you honestly think that Book's move to help Dean was not given the OK by Jeb Bush?

I mean, doesn't that give you pause for just one second?

Think hard about this one folks. I'm not trying to be smarmy but I ask you to think like a wolf thinks, like the Bushistas. Think long and hard about this election and who you support.

We can put a strong candidate up to beat Bush. I'm not going to be pushy, I'll leave that up to you to decide but think carefully about this election, very carefully.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #16
22. there were hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of Dean supporters
at the Florida convention, and does it ever occur to you that conservatives might hate Bush for his policies?
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:42 AM
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23. It tells me they don't know the real Dean.
I find that humorous and good to know. If they're not prepared, they're going to have less of a chance against him.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 05:24 AM
Response to Reply #23
84. Oh that's right. We're all hypnotized cultists, slink.
We don't know the "real" Dean. We have slyly become one with the Borg, and hover around him like worker drones to the queen bee.

Christ....I need a drink. It's getting real thick in here...
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dajabr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:49 AM
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29. A few words from Ms. Becky Burgwin...
Who I hold in very high regard...

"The Democrats are scared." So says a political analyst on George Stephanopolis' Sunday morning show after heralding Howard Dean's accomplishments of the past week. Well, you know what, you should be scared. It's going to be extremely difficult for you to win this election since no one, with the exception of Dr. Dean himself, seems to have a backbone.

What’s really scary and irresponsible is that you’re accusing him of political views that aren’t even accurate…that could seriously harm Dean’s chances of getting elected. In my opinion, if you’re going to go after a candidate, you should at least do your homework.

Yes, Karl Rove is scary. He's famous for dirty, no, disgusting political tricks, which have done great damage to the American electoral process. Everybody knows this. But instead of going after Herr Rove for his highly unethical and probably illegal election high jinks, you're tearing down your own candidate.

--snip--

But now that we have an exciting candidate…a candidate who has shattered Democratic fund-raising records…who draws thousands of ardent supporters to his public appearances…whose grass roots contingency voted almost unanimously to forego outdated campaign finance rules and managed to give him another 5.3 million dollars in the process…and what do you say? Waaah, what if we don't win? Waaah, what if Rove is mean to our candidate? Waaah, what about George McGovern and Michael Dukakis? Waaah, how can we discredit Howard Dean before he wins the nomination?


My God! This election is against the most incompetent, dishonest, greedy bunch of crooks ever to cross the threshold of the White House. Even John Dean from Watergate fame basically said that these guys make Nixon look like Little Bo Peep. Dean in Salon.com, Oct. 2003. "I thought I had seen political dirty tricks as foul as they could get, but I was wrong…Bush's people have out-Nixoned Nixon's people. And my former colleagues were not amateurs by any means."

More: http://www.opednews.com/burgwin_12031_scared.htm


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thinkahead Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #16
49. Thanks for not being pushy
I thought you were going to give us an order there for a second.
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #16
55. Did Dan Marino
check with Jebbie too?

Welcome to DU.
.. very inquisitive crowd here, many of whom prefer documenation.
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:26 AM
Response to Reply #16
66. hm, but Clark supporters have all along been saying that Clark would
steal repub votes from Bush, as well as independents/swing voters. it breaks your balls doesn't it, to see repubs who want Dean. and you know what, it doesn't bother me one bit. i know what i want, and i know why i want it. and if there are some principled repubs who want the same thing, then good on them.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:39 AM
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #17
27. Maybe this kind of clarkite?
Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-08-03 02:11 PM
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46. I'm shutting this down.


Our server logs indicate that we've had an influx of new registrations from at least one clark website who logged on to vote in the poll.

I want to say welcome to all of you -- I'm impressed by your enthusiasm. I hope you'll stick around. But in the future I'd prefer if you avoided freeping our polls.

I have instructed Elad to program a new function so that this will no longer be possible.


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Field Of Dreams Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #9
21. Well...
Clark spoke at both Democratic and Republican fundraisers in early 2001.

Dean is using Democratic and perhaps one Repub for fundraising.

If true, that makes Clark and Dean even. :toast:
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tameszu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:44 AM
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62. Slink, the difference is, who has Clark been attacking for past 3 years
and who is this guy that Dean hired working for NOW? When Clark spoke at the fundraiser, he was still pretty much non-partisan; that's why he did a Dem fundraiser the next week.

In this case, read the quote: it says that this guy Book justifies doing this as OK because none of the money is going to attack Bush, just other Dems. This means that the guy STILL SUPPORTS BUSH, and thinks that raising money for Dean will ONLY HURT DEMS, NOT REPUBLICANS.

This is not good, and Dean should fire this guy now, because he encourages the meme that Republicans are funding Dean because they think he will be a disaster for the Democratic Party. If the campaign hasn't heard about this, you should flag it to them.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:32 AM
Response to Reply #62
69. this guy is on the GRAHAM campaign staff.....
geez.....this is just pure flamebait.
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 04:29 AM
Response to Reply #62
75. actually, no
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 04:29 AM by drfemoe
The "quote" is not quoting Book, but the op-ed writer.

And we have yet to be presented with any evidence that he "SUPPORTS *U*H".

:shrug:

This is one more thing that gives me the willies about Clark.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:39 AM
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18. Truer words...
This is money for the Democratic primary," Book quickly points out. In other words, Dean now is running only against Democrats, so any money Book raises will not hurt Bush. ... "


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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #18
28. Why this man is smiling...
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 12:49 AM by SahaleArm
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:00 AM
Response to Reply #28
37. I think he likes what he sees ;-)
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #37
41. LOL *nm*
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Ramsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:40 AM
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19. Republicans shouldn't raise money for Dean?
I was at a major donor fundraiser today and there were Republicans there raising money for Dean. Why? Because they agree that Bush is a disaster and that Dean is the best counter weight. You think they took off from work and recruited people to give $5000 to $10000 just because they think Dean is the easiest to beat? I seriously doubt it. Should I have thrown them out for lack of appropriately Democratic Party credentials?
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giantrobot_2000 Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #19
25. Very naive
"I was at a major donor fundraiser today and there were Republicans there raising money for Dean. Why? Because they agree that Bush is a disaster and that Dean is the best counter weight. You think they took off from work and recruited people to give $5000 to $10000 just because they think Dean is the easiest to beat? I seriously doubt it. Should I have thrown them out for lack of appropriately Democratic Party credentials? "

You're being very naive. Do you honestly think there's no difference between an average Republican off the street and Ron Book?

Do you even know who Ron Book is? This guy is straight up Bushista. Look him up, Google him. Read a little more about him.

Put two and two together.
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:53 AM
Response to Reply #25
33. I did google him - did you?
He was a Graham fundraiser, and long time Graham staffer. http://tinyurl.com/yjrj

What google results did you get?
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Ramsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #25
36. Did your momma ever tell you...
You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar?

BTW, the "average Republican off the street" doesn't give $1000 to Howard Dean. Who's naive?
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:11 AM
Response to Reply #36
47. Yeah, but why does anyone ever

WANT to catch flies? :shrug:
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Ramsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #47
50. To get rid of them
:-)
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 04:47 AM
Response to Reply #50
76. I Don't Know Nuttin' Bout them there Chi-Chi Fundraisers...BUT
I Know Ramsey's the Only Deany Bopper NOT on MY IGNORE LIST!

Hey,Cutey! Can an Old Prof buya a drink??:toast:

Your Man in the Faculty Lounge,
G.G.:smoke:
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #19
31. I wouldn't really have a clue
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 01:06 AM by Djinn
about whether Clark or Dean or Kucinich etc is better or worse than his opponents - I have to admit I find the nominations thing a bit alien and we get bugger all info in our media until it's a 2 party race BUT I will say I find it highly suspiscious that Fox News likes speak about Dean an awful lot but say little about Clark - it seems atleast that THEY think Clark would be hard to beat and therefore want Howard up against the shrub and to forget Clark even exists.

This attitude might not be held widely amongst the repugs but as a paid fundraiser/marketer I'm certainly suspiscious about this guy suddenly wanting to raise cash for Dean, what are his motives what does he have to gain? always back the horse named self interest.

Like I said I really know nothing about the candidates or the system that sees people from the same party arguing and slagging each other off (seems a weird one to my westminster eyes) but from a totally outside perspective it seems it may be about making sure shrub doesnt have to come up against the general (who personally from what I've seen wouldn't be my favourite I I was an american voter but I doubt there's one left enough for my liking - just pointing out this ISNT a anti-dean post)
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #31
39. Clark doesn't take their calls
He kicked Fux butt.


:spank:
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #31
54. We get bugger all info in our media, either, but you're right that
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 01:27 AM by DemBones DemBones
American media (not just FOX) have been promoting Dean all along, basically ignoring all others in the race. They promoted Bush in 2000 in just this way, simultaneously painting Gore as a liar, a braggart, and a know-it-all. CNN is talking at this very minute about how Dean's success has surprised everyone -- and now the speaker (a former Congressman) is saying Gore's endorsement can help this process "get over" more quickly, i.e., lock up the nomination for Dean.

I will fight the Dean nomination to the end, not simply because I prefer Kucinich (after all, one's favorite often loses in the primaries) but for the greater reason that I believe that:

(1) the GOP wants Dean to be our nominee, and

(2) the media would trash Dean in the general election campaign, and
build up Bush, and

(3) Dean would lose to Bush the way Goldwater lost to LBJ, or McGovern
lost to Nixon.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 05:17 AM
Response to Reply #19
82. Apparently not. We should reject money, as we have too much already
That makes just a boatload of sense, doesn't it.
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retyred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:41 AM
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20. any money Book raises will not hurt Bush. ...
as will a dean nomination not hurt bush.

dean likes them bush fund raisers, add this guy to the 40 other republicans dean hired for his steering committee, one of which was a top fund raiser for both poppy and jr.

Looks like it's easier for bush to buy a win this time. At least Gore will be there to teach dean how to lose gracefully!



retyred in fla
“good night paul, wherever you are”

So I read this book
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 03:05 AM
Response to Reply #20
72. Smear tactics are not needed here.
You have proof of this accusation then show us the links. All of the links. Otherwise you sound like Joe McCarthy.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:48 AM
Response to Original message
26. Fundraisers are aplotical, for the most part...as are campaign managers
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 12:48 AM by MercutioATC
These are JOBS. Was your last doctor a Rep or a Dem? Your last server at a restaurant? Raising money is a job, not a political calling. Why is this even an issue?
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giantrobot_2000 Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:17 AM
Response to Reply #26
51. Ha
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 01:23 AM by giantrobot_2000
"These are JOBS. Was your last doctor a Rep or a Dem? Your last server at a restaurant? Raising money is a job, not a political calling. Why is this even an issue?"

This is a pretty funny post.

You're saying that fundraising for politicians is not a political process. Does that make much sense on its face? That's why I find this a funny post.

Besides the disturbing implications of the Bush/Florida Republican machine working to get Dean the nomination, this is just yet another example of Dean being disingenuous with his image. He has, from day one, called himself "the Outsider." Who did I see cavorting with K Street Washington loobyists on the TV show "K Street"? Who's tapping Bush fundraisers now? Why isn't he using his "grassroots" if he's such an outsider and refuses to play by Washington's rules?

I think Dean, in many cases, is not the man people think he is. We need someone who's been honest and forthright about his past, someone with foreign policy experience.

By the way, to the poster who told me to "fuck myself" upstream, you're part of the reason why I find certain Deaniacs (some, but not all) so distasteful. Show me some respect, boy because I show you respect.

If I post an article with perfectly legitimate concerns about a candidate, do not start smearing me for posting it. That's trash talking and not the way adults should act.

I want an active debate and I want to address any concerns you may have about Clark as well -- in a civil manner.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #51
94. Glad you found it funny, but it's still true. Professional fundraisers
are just that - professionals. They're paid to do a job, not adopt a philosophy. I didn't say that the PROCESS of fundraising wasn't political, I said that professional fundraisers aren't necessarily "Republicans" just because they've had a job raising money for Republicans.

Dean isn't hiring a "Republican fundraiser". A lobbyist who's raised money for Republicans is hosting a Dean house party (which, by the way, means he's not being compensated and Dean's campaign did not "pick" him...he volunteered). There is a distinct difference.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #26
57. What does it take to convince people that a house party host is NOT a
paid position?

Sheesh
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:52 AM
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32. THERE IS ORGANIZED REPUBLICAN FUNDING FOR DEAN
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 12:54 AM by WiseMen
I have it on good authority that there are several right-wing groups pumping money into the Dean campaign. A check will show that many Dean contributors are on right-wing mailing lists.

Can you imaging why?
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:56 AM
Response to Reply #32
34. to frighten people like you?
just a guess ... BTW, I think people are confused as to which Ron Book is being spoken of.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 04:48 AM
Response to Reply #34
78. We CAN start with that
Thanks:smoke:
Bad Brook.

Your Man in the Faculty Lounge:beer:
GG
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Ramsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #32
42. Link?
Any other credible data than your putative "good authority"? Because otherwise your statement isn't worth the time you took to post it.

Can you imagining why?
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #32
48. ya ..
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 01:18 AM by drfemoe
I know a few of them. They believe that knowing what your enemy is doing is a worthwhile endeavor.

A check will show that many Dean contributors are on right-wing mailing lists.
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:58 AM
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35. Wait a minute .. he has worked for LOTS of democrats
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/10/08/news_pf/State/Four_wait_while_Graha.shtml
If he runs again, Graham may have to mend fences with some longtime supporters offended by the abruptness of his departure from the presidential race.

"He did this without talking to us. It's very hurtful," said Ron Book, a lobbyist and Graham fundraiser. "He didn't even call and give us a heads-up. Loyalty works both ways."

http://www.autistics.org/access/issues/advocacy/celebrities.html
MIAMI DOLPHINS quarterback Dan Marino and Florida Panthers right wing Scott Mellanby will team up as registered legislative lobbyists against the insurance industry. Marino and Mellanby will tell lawmakers why insurers should be required to pay benefits for autistic children, lobbyist Ron Book said. "Many people know Dan has an autistic child, but not many know that Scott does as well," said Book, who works for Dolphins and Panthers owner Wayne Huizenga. "They've committed to coming up to help pass the bill."

... more ...
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Ron+Book%22+fundraiser

....
Please *note* .. Ron Book didn't say "it won't hurt Bush" .. that's the author's OPINION. Why doesn't he include a link for the quote he "quotes"????

Panic button: :nuke:
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giantrobot_2000 Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #35
44. Do me a favor.
Please check his fundraising totals for Jeb and George. Go ahead. Does that tell you anything?
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:10 AM
Response to Reply #44
46. where can I find that info?
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 01:11 AM by drfemoe
I provided several links. Your post has one link to an op-ed...
Information please!
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dajabr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:18 AM
Response to Reply #46
52. NO matches found for "Ron Book"
Searched all fields at:

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobbyists/index.asp

"WHERE ARE THE FIGURES FROM?
Lobbyists have to file semi-annual reports with the Secretary of the Senate and the Clerk of the House identifying their clients, the lobbyists working for each client, and the amount of income they receive. Companies have to report their overall lobbying expenditures and the names of any lobbyists employed as part of an in-house lobbying effort. Data are periodically updated to reflect late filings and amendments."
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giantrobot_2000 Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:29 AM
Response to Reply #52
58. Re: "NO matches for Ron Book"
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 01:29 AM by giantrobot_2000
"NO matches for "Ron Book"

I'm not going to do your homework for you. Try figuring out the lobbying firms he works for and then look again. It is your job to find out more about Ron Book, if you really want to know the truth, not mine.

I sincerely hope you're not making the case that Ron Book isn't a lobbyist and Dean didn't actually hire him.
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dajabr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:32 AM
Response to Reply #58
61. Did my homework...
"and Dean didn't actually hire him."

Now, you do yours... Step up with the facts that Dean hired him.
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giantrobot_2000 Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:51 AM
Response to Reply #61
63. LOL
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 01:52 AM by giantrobot_2000
""and Dean didn't actually hire him."
Now, you do yours... Step up with the facts that Dean hired him."

Since this was reported last Sunday, I'm guessing there's going to be some lag time before this makes it to Open Secrets. Further, this is the Florida primary. Check the state section. Word to the wise.

It's bizarre to make the assertion that Dean actually didn't hire Book.

Here's my impression of me stepping up with the facts,

Step 1. Read the article.
Step 2. Come to the realization that since this was reported <i>in the newspaper</i> and Ron Book was quoted <i>in the newspaper</i> as saying "This is money for the Democratic primary," then there's a good chance he was hired.
Step 3. Come to the realization that Nevins was reporting <i>in the newspaper</i> that Dean hired Ron Book, Republican lobbyist and Bush-fundraiser extraordinaire.

You saying that Nevins just made this up and Ron Book was misquoted?
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:55 AM
Response to Reply #63
64. Yeah man...
...you tell them...not like anyone has ever made anything up in a newspaper op-ed. Or in a news item. Man, I'm tellin jason blair <sp>, he'll know what to do...
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 04:25 AM
Response to Reply #63
74. what has been asked of you
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 04:30 AM by drfemoe
is information regarding all the $$$ he raised for the *u*h brothers, as you claim.

We will be anxiously awaiting the 'news stories' to validate this allegation, which you are unwilling to coraborate with any substantiated documentation. If you haven't done any homework/research of your own, and disregard contradictory evidence posted here, why do you expect anyone else to come up with a 'source' for your accusations based on an opinion piece, which has no documentation either?



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dajabr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 06:01 AM
Response to Reply #63
85. You're seeing things...
I'm saying 2 things:

1. Nowhere in the blurb does it say he's been hired by Dean.

2. You can fundraise for Dean without being on his payroll.

Those are facts, and you have not provided anything to refute them.

FACTS, my friend - not assumptions, inferences, opinion, heresay, etc.

Try again...
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #63
97. House party hosts are volunteers, they are NOT hired.
The article isn't specific, but it states that he's "hosting" a Dean fundraiser. The only "hosted" events that I'm familiar with in the Dean campaign are house parties. House party hosts are not paid or hired. Period.

Even if this was an event that Book was hired to run, that's what he does...fundraising. It's like saying that the caterer for a Bush event shouldn't be hired by Democrats. Simply ridiculous.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #58
93. He did do his homework
And all you're doing is deflecting the argument instead of presenting your evidence. What does that say about your position, hmmmm?
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dajabr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:30 AM
Response to Reply #52
59. Found him...
BOOK PA, MR RONALD
Miami , FL33180 10/28/1998 $500.00 PUTNAM, ADAM H

BOOK, PATRICIA
NORTH MIAMI , FL33180 6/9/1997 $1,000.00 Graham, Bob
BOOK, PATRICIA
NORTH MIAMI BEACH , FL33180 12/9/1997 $1,000.00 Wexler, Robert
BOOK, RONALD
MIAMI , FL33180 4/1/1997 $1,000.00 Deutsch, Peter
BOOK, RONALD
NORTH MIAMI BEACH , FL33180 11/25/1997 $300.00 Pioneer PAC
BOOK, RONALD
NORTH MIAMI BEACH , FL33180 12/30/1997 $1,000.00 Kerrey, Bob
BOOK, RONALD
NORTH MIAMI BEACH , FL33180 6/23/1998 $1,000.00 Bayh, Evan
BOOK, RONALD
NORTH MIAMI BEACH , FL33180 12/9/1997 $1,000.00 Wexler, Robert
BOOK, RONALD
Miami , FL33180 10/13/1998 $500.00 ANDREWS, WILLIAM (BILL)
BOOK, RONALD
Miami , FL33180 6/30/1997 $500.00 NELSON, BILL
BOOK, RONALD
Miami , FL33180 6/20/1996 $1,000.00 MCCALL, H CARL
BOOK, RONALD L
MIAMI , FL33180 2/11/1997 $200.00 Hastings, Alcee L
BOOK, RONALD L
MIAMI , FL33180 3/17/1997 $5,000.00 Florida Victory Fund
BOOK, RONALD L
N MIAMI BEACH , FL33180 10/20/1998 $1,000.00 Hastings, Alcee L
BOOK, RONALD L
NORTH MIAMI BEACH , FL33180 6/23/1998 $500.00 Diaz-Balart, Lincoln
BOOK, RONALD L
NORTH MIAMI BEACH , FL33180 9/16/1997 $500.00 Shelby, Richard C
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 3/4/1998 $500.00 CRAWFORD, BOB
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 3/4/1998 $500.00 CRAWFORD, BOB
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 10/9/1998 $500.00 CRAWFORD, BOB
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 9/30/1998 $100.00 CRAWFORD, BOB
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
AVENTURA , FL 3/4/1998 $500.00 CRAWFORD, BOB
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 10/9/1998 $500.00 CRAWFORD, BOB
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 7/24/1998 $500.00 GALLAGHER, TOM
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 10/15/1998 $500.00 GALLAGHER, TOM
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 7/24/1998 $500.00 GALLAGHER, TOM
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 1/26/1998 $500.00 BOYD, JANEGALE M
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 7/13/1998 $500.00 GOTTLIEB, KENNETH A
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 8/1/1998 $500.00 LOGAN, WILLIE F
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 8/1/1998 $500.00 LOGAN, WILLIE F
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 7/6/1998 $500.00 WILSON, FREDERICA S
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 7/6/1998 $500.00 WILSON, FREDERICA S
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 2/13/1998 $500.00 BLOOM, ELAINE
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 2/13/1998 $500.00 BLOOM, ELAINE
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 2/13/1998 $500.00 BLOOM, ELAINE
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 8/24/1998 $500.00 BARREIRO, GUSTAVO A
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 9/23/1998 $500.00 BARREIRO, GUSTAVO A
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 8/24/1998 $500.00 BARREIRO, GUSTAVO A
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 2/25/1998 $500.00 BURKE, BERYL ROBERTS
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 2/25/1998 $500.00 BURKE, BERYL ROBERTS
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 2/25/1998 $500.00 BURKE, BERYL ROBERTS
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 8/26/1998 $250.00 BUSH III, JAMES

BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 6/26/1997 $500.00 ARNALL, JOE
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 3/2/1998 $500.00 WILES, DOUG
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 3/2/1998 $500.00 WILES, DOUG
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 2/16/1998 $500.00 ALBRIGHT III, GEORGE J
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 2/16/1998 $500.00 ALBRIGHT III, GEORGE J
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 5/22/1997 $500.00 BAINTER, STAN
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 5/22/1997 $500.00 BAINTER, STAN
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 8/25/1997 $500.00 LYNN, EVELYN
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 7/13/1998 $500.00 GOODE JR, HARRY C
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 11/21/1997 $500.00 CONSTANTINE, LEE
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 11/21/1997 $250.00 CONSTANTINE, LEE
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 11/21/1997 $500.00 CONSTANTINE, LEE
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 9/12/1997 $500.00 TROVILLION, ALLEN
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 8/25/1998 $500.00 REDDICK, ALZO J
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 8/25/1998 $500.00 REDDICK, ALZO J
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 8/25/1998 $500.00 REDDICK, ALZO J
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 10/7/1997 $500.00 SUBLETTE, BILL
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 10/7/1997 $500.00 SUBLETTE, BILL
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 9/22/1997 $250.00 WALLACE, ROB
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 9/22/1997 $250.00 WALLACE, ROB
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 2/27/1998 $500.00 WALLACE, ROB
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 9/13/1997 $250.00 CROW, LARRY
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 9/25/1997 $500.00 PEADEN JR, DURELL
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 3/3/1998 $500.00 HAFNER, LARS A
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 3/3/1998 $500.00 HAFNER, LARS A
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 3/3/1998 $500.00 HAFNER, LARS A
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 7/10/1997 $500.00 BRADLEY, RUDOLPH (RUDY)
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 7/10/1997 $500.00 BRADLEY, RUDOLPH (RUDY)
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 7/10/1997 $500.00 BRADLEY, RUDOLPH (RUDY)
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 10/16/1998 $500.00 HART, CHRIS
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 10/29/1997 $250.00 MILLER JR, LESLEY (LES)
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 7/4/1997 $250.00 MILLER JR, LESLEY (LES)
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 7/4/1997 $250.00 MILLER JR, LESLEY (LES)
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 10/29/1997 $250.00 MILLER JR, LESLEY (LES)
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 7/4/1997 $500.00 MILLER JR, LESLEY (LES)
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 7/4/1997 $500.00 MILLER JR, LESLEY (LES)
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 2/6/1998 $500.00 EDWARDS, LORI
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 2/6/1998 $500.00 EDWARDS, LORI
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 7/13/1998 $500.00 FLANAGAN, MARK G
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 7/12/1997 $250.00 FLANAGAN, MARK G
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 9/12/1997 $250.00 FLANAGAN, MARK G
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 2/25/1997 $500.00 FLANAGAN, MARK G
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 10/19/1998 $500.00 DETERT, NANCY C
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 9/2/1997 $500.00 BITNER, DAVID I
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 9/2/1997 $500.00 BITNER, DAVID I
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 7/17/1998 $500.00 BITNER, DAVID I
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 9/3/1997 $500.00 HARRINGTON, LINDSAY M
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 1/13/1998 $500.00 MINTON JR, OR (RICK)
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 7/10/1998 $500.00 MINTON JR, OR (RICK)
BOOK, RONALD L & PATRICIA
Miami , FL33180 1/13/1998 $500.00 MINTON JR, OR (RICK)

http://www.opensecrets.org/st/givessearchRes.asp?state=FL&cycle=1998&searchstring=book&fedstate=all&sortorder=name&Page=1
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:32 AM
Response to Reply #52
60. Why does it not surprise me that
a Florida lobbyist doesn't show up on a list of Washington lobbyists?

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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #44
91. OK....
...can you check Clark's fundraising totals for the Repubs? Go ahead.

Does THAT tell you anything?

Look, I support any Dem right now.

But you can't just throw these stones when you're standing in a HUGE glass house. the disconnect between you screaming that a Repub is raising money for Dean and you ignoring that Clark HIMSELF raised money FOR Repubs is staggering.

If DU is anything, it's excellent at finding hypocrisy and exposing it. Welcome to the list.
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opstachuck Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:03 AM
Response to Original message
40. book hired me...
to write this post. but i forgot what he told me to say. oh wait, go dean. yes, that's it. now, if only i could find someone to wipe my ass
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kayleybeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:15 AM
Response to Original message
65. The Republicans
really are raising money for Dean. This has probably been posted before but if you haven't seen it, it's worth a read:

http://www.polipundit.com

Disgusting blog. They are also encouraging Repukes to give to Edwards and Kerry in an effort to stop Clark. They want Dean to be the nominee.

"Still sticking with our Dean-nominating strategy, I now recommend holding your nose and donating to Kerry and Edwards so that they can take down Weasel Clark and remove the last hurdle to Dean's winning the nomination."
posted by PoliPundit at 9:51 PM Link to this post | Comments (4)


"The best scenario for Clark is to beat a still-viable Kerry in New Hampshire. That would allow Clark to exceed expectations, even if he were to come in far behind Dean.

But if Kerry's campaign goes down in flames or Kerry outright withdraws from the race, it'll no longer be possible for Clark to claim victory just by beating Kerry. Instead, Clark would have to explain why he finished so far behind Dean in New Hampshire, with Kerry out of the race.

Help Kerry withdraw from the race by entering the kausfiles Kerry Withdrawal Contest."
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:29 AM
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67. He was raising money for Bob Graham
before he dropped out. Maybe Graham passed him on to Dean.

Still, I wouldn't associate with him.
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:34 AM
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71. I'm a non-dean supporter (for now), but I don't see why this is bad
Frankly, I'd like to turn a few more Bush fundraisers to our side. I imagine that fundraisers mainly want to back whoever is going to win, and probably aren't as concerned about party loyalty, but maybe I'm wrong.
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 04:47 AM
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77. Found the source document
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 04:56 AM
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79. LOL. Not unless 10:24 comes after 10:29 you didn't.
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 05:07 AM by BillyBunter
You people are beyond belief with your paranoia and blame games. Your 'source document' was posted at 10:29 my time, after the thread starter, which was posted at 10:24. There was actually a link to the original story included in the thread starter.

Did you take pictures of the 'source document' with your special Spy Kids decoder camera, to be transmitted to HQ so they can examine them for clues?
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giantrobot_2000 Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 05:17 AM
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81. Here's the "source document"
Here's the source document, the same as I posted in the first thread:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/columnists/sfl-cpol06dec06,0,4315209.column?coll=sfla-news-col
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 08:47 AM
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86. Dean is smart.
He knows where the money comes from. Lobbyists.
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:17 AM
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87. Funny that you post asbout republican fundraisers
Considering your avatar reflects a republican fundraiser running for D nomination.
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texas is the reason Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:45 AM
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92. gee whiz- buddy nevins of the sun sentinel says it? must be true!
this "story" takes up about one paragraph of an editorial gossip column-complete with phone number and email at the bottom to "contact buddy if you've got a tip" for his gossip column. man, you clarkies are getting desperate....
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 04:15 PM
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96. Dean hired Clark?
;-)
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:20 PM
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98. Fascinating...
who knew?
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:24 PM
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99. unreal it just keeps getting worse!!!!
Dean is 100% politican!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nazgul35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:40 PM
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100. Wasn't one of the Draft Clark crew...
a republican?

So now we can't take republicans who are disgusted at the Bush admin....?!

And it's Dean who's going to loose.....riiiiggghhhhttttt!!!!

Didn't Clinton hire Gergan? Where did Cohen come from?

Some people really need to grow up and play politics like adults!! The cost is too high to have to deal with people with a child's view of politics...
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