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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:08 AM
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CSPAN caller supports Clark because he can "quell civil disobedience"…
"he doesn't stand for free speech like Howard Dean or John Kerry do"

:crazy:
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Field Of Dreams Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:09 AM
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1. I like the caller who said I'm voting for John Dean ... er, I mean
Howard Dean ... yeah ... Howard Dean for President.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:11 AM
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4. I heard that too.
Funny stuff
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OrAnarch Donating Member (433 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:10 AM
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2. i agree that he could quell disobedience
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 01:13 AM by OrAnarch
He helped quell tons of civil disobedience while fighting the innocent men and women in Vietnam. Till he apologizes for that, and other willing and knowing contributions to America's military machine (the manifestation of global corporate greed), I woulnd't so much as toss a dime or vote his way. Please Clark, wash your hands of the blood of innocents, shed for the powerful like Bush and Cheney, before running for president.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:13 AM
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6. Man, come on.
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 01:19 AM by RandomKoolzip
The political process demands comprimise; I know it sucks, but it's true. War sucks, but this is the real world we're talking about.

I'm a Deaner, and I don't like seeing Clark badmouthed like that.

How many voters would we attract on the kind of platform you suggest?
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OrAnarch Donating Member (433 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:16 AM
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9. I can't help it...
Im just so unnerved lately by the number of people on a "progressive" site just totally missing it. I gotta overstate my case to make an obvious point people like us should see.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:21 AM
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19. Who should they be voting for great sage? *nm*
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OrAnarch Donating Member (433 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:25 AM
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24. Someone who did not participate in the Vietnam war
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 01:25 AM by OrAnarch
period

on edit: Or someone who at least apologizes for it.
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Phelan Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:18 AM
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12. I would like to invite you to join us on planet Earth...
It does get some getting used to...
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:11 AM
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3. Who said that????
Really odd...

Was it LaRouche calling from jail????

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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:12 AM
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5. & a crackpot called to say he'll vote for Bush cause of his "moral" fabric
You gonna start a thread on him?
You gonna start a thread on every nut job that called CSPAN,
or only the ones that suit your agenda of smearing Clark?
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OrAnarch Donating Member (433 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:14 AM
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7. he smears himself....
...he, not we, participated in warcrimes against humanity for all his life. And his campaigns on that issue.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:19 AM
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13. no
he campains on restraint, and cooperation.

obvious to anyone who has ever listened to him... but some people just like to make crap up.
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OrAnarch Donating Member (433 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:27 AM
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27. I make up nothing.
It is a fact that he served during wartime for the large part of his life, and hence, contributed to the American military machine, which wages unjust war in the name of coorporate profit. He does not apologize for doing this. It is a fact he willingly did and contributed towards the militaries victories. Have't you listended to his campaign at all? Thats his main point!
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:30 AM
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32. Missing something important
You fail to mention that civilians control the military not the other way around. The blame lies squarely on the shoulders of previous administrations.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:20 AM
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15. Why not just bring in Waco and you'd be halfway to...
freeperville.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:29 AM
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30. LOL - No shit
Here, have a freeper talking point. No go out and disrupt, my minions!
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:20 AM
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17. It is true that Clark was indicted by a SERBIAN
court for war crimes during the reign of Milosevic. I would think that that particular disctinction is a credit to anyone who received it.
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OrAnarch Donating Member (433 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:30 AM
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31. Im not talking about indictments..
Im talking about his service in general. when America decided to atack foriegn nations without being provoked, and slaughtered many humans who were innocent, Clark did not put down his gun and go home. We willingly contributed toward the Means that were aimed at accomplishing, wether he was fully aware or not (he should be now and apologize), Ends which were in the name of corporate greed and power, rather than America.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:33 AM
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36. You seem to think soldiers
can just "put down their guns and go home." Of course you couldn't be more wrong.
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:15 AM
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8. this thread was not intended to smear Clark
the caller's comments were so outrageous that it's funny and I thought we could all use a laugh.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:21 AM
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18. that's so funny, i think i'll start a thread
every time I hear the word "cult" or "kool-aid" used in reference to Dean's campaign. "Hey, I thought we could all use a laugh" :eyes:
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AnnitaR Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:24 AM
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22. "Not intended to smear Clark" Yea right!
Give me a break! Just ANOTHER flame bait thread and we all know it! You have been alerted again to the mods!
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:33 AM
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34. …
:cry:
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:34 AM
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39. Puh-leeze pruner, at least have the courage of your smeary convictions...
Your post is clearly using the CSPAN crackpot as a chance to launch a stealth attack on General Clark.

Maybe if you weren't such an outspoken Dean supporter your smear denial would have some credibility:

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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:27 AM
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28. Wait a minute
Take it from this Clark supporter, I pay attention to the people who start threads just to smear Clark and pruner is not one of those people.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:17 AM
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10. I heard that caller, too.
I heard him make the reference to quelling civil disobedience (the caller was speaking of the Iraqi insurgents). The caller did not go on to say that Clark was against free speech, though. The civil disobedience thing kinda trailed off....it was the end of his call and the last thing he said. That's how I remember it. The caller was sort of flustered and seeking for the right words to use...he was basically saying that he thought Clark would be able to handle the "uprising" in Iraq better than Bush & the other candidates, in his opinion.
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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:17 AM
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11. This is insane pruner.
I guess I should start a thread about every single crack pot that calls in like the lady that said she supports Dean because his wife is Jewish. Or maybe I should start a thread about the contigent of "Dean supporters" with Confederate flags outside of the Debate auditorium in an attempt to label all of Dean's supporters?

Find something more productive to post about.

BTW I'm alerting your thread as imflammatory.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:19 AM
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14. They're still doing the confederate flag thing?
Those freepers must be bored.
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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:20 AM
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16. After the debate they showed one of them on C-span.
.
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:22 AM
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20. I couldn't disagree more.
This isn't inflamatory, it's perfectly fine to discuss. Why shouldn't we talk about the past and Clark's complicity with anti-free speech. If it's not true or he's released some statements to the contrary, please post them and then we can have a discussion.

It's also very interesting topic that some Americans would feel this way about wanting to vote for a candidate for such an odd reason.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:24 AM
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23. So you support people making shit up?
Hey, I heard that Kucinich set an orphanage on fire. If that's not true or he's released some statements to the contrary, please post them and we can have a discussion.
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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:22 AM
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21. "Old Turtle Eyes" would take care of civil disobedience like so....
And the thing about a turtle is he's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, he doesn't even seem to be livin'... 'til he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then... ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin'.

See:
portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/11/275671.shtml
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:25 AM
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25. I didn't think it was possible for me to edit the subject line
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 01:34 AM by eileen_d
but maybe I can. Here goes nothing
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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:30 AM
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33. Speak to me only with thine eyes....
....no one gets my sense of humor. I may end it all...
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:33 AM
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37. Well, if you're kidding I take it back
I guess I'm being too sensitive... I don't like people dissing the candidates on their physical appearance. So I'll edit. Sorry.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:27 AM
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26. :)
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 01:32 AM by SahaleArm
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:28 AM
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29. That's pretty funny, especially since it was Dean

who has called for "re-evaluating" civil liberties.

Dean supporters should not worry that he will be soft on civil disobedience.
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