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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 11:59 AM
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Poll question: Do you think that a Dean/Clark ticket could beat Bush?
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:01 PM
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1. I think any ticket could beat Bush
A Kucinich/Sharpton Ticket, a Braun/Edwards ticket, even a Lierberman/Pee Wee Herman ticket can beat Bush. Why? Because who ever gets nominate, I'm going to bust my ass and make everyone I know bust their asses to make sure they win.
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:02 PM
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3. Damn right
100%
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 11:21 AM
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53. Not so sure
about the ticket with Pee Wee Herman. :-)

You are dead on correct- any of our candidates and whichever running mate s/he chooses can oust Shrub next year. The caveat to that? We all have to work to make it happen and not just sit back and sulk if our favorite fails to get the nomination.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:01 PM
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2. Absolutely!
Though I have a feeling Dean is going to choose Graham as his running mate should he get the nomination. But I think a Dean/Clark ticket would be absolutely unbeatable!
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goldilox369 Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:06 PM
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4. me too
i think a dean/clarke ticket would beat the crap out of bush
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:08 PM
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5. Dean/Clark
is win/win - I hope that Dean does not make a big mistake and go for someone else - this is the dream team ticket for all Dems
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HILLARY SUPPORTER Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:53 PM
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42. Never..
They would never team up anyway!!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:09 PM
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6. I think a Dean/Clark ticket would destroy Bush and that is the point.
We've got a lot of work to do, don't we?
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Patriot_Spear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:11 PM
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7. Let them slug it out then- I'll support any combination of that ticket.
It would be a death knell for Bush* and Co.
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:13 PM
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8. I think any Dem
can beat bush, IF our party gets its act together and focuses on the enemy. But I think this particular ticket would :kick:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:13 PM
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9. Yes, if we and the party get 100% behind them after the nomination
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:14 PM
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10. you should replace could with would
of course that ticket COULD beat Bush, but that isn't what you should be asking.

Any major party pretty much has an automatic 40 percent of the vote no matter what. Therefor, without being able to know exactly what an incumbant president will do or be affected by exactly, of course Dean "Could" beat Bush.

But he probably wouldn't, no matter who is vp is, barring a second recession and/or 100's of more casualties in Iraq
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:20 PM
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11. I think that's our best
bet.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:24 PM
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14. You think what is our best bet?
hoping for more soldiers to die and the economy and stock market to tank again?

Our best bet is a Clark-Graham ticket
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:32 PM
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16. As much as I hate to say this, there will be 100's more casualties in Iraq
Nothing over there shows any sign of that changing. As for the so called economic recovery, it's complete crap so far, with the regime and their compliant media counting jobs in India, retail Xmas help and jobs at Burger King as dents in the 3.5 million jobs Junior lost.

Not that I'm wishing for a bad economy or high casualties, of course, but the corporate media lies can only cover up things like that for so long.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:21 PM
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12. I think Dean/Clark or Clark/Dean is our *best* hope at winning in '04!
:dem:
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:24 PM
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13. Absolutely
I think that Dean/Clark or Clark/Dean will beat Bush. I think that a ticket with either one of them at the top will defeat Bush. And whoever gets the nomination, I would prefer the other one, or Bob Graham, in the VP spot over all of the other current candidates.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:28 PM
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15. KERRY/CLARK
KERRY/CLARK ticket would be a better choice
a landslide for us!!
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:36 PM
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17. My floppy dick would beat bush*
I mean floppy disk, no, disc. Umm. No I meant dick.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:37 PM
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18. Americans won't vote for a candidate they think will raise their taxes.
Unless Dean changes his message and starts promising the middle-class a tax-cut (or at least that he won't raise their taxes), he'll lose.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:42 PM
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20. I think you underestimate the loathing of Bush
over taxes. Bush will lose to a Dean/Clark ticket is the general topic. Sounds like the winning ticket to me if everyone gets on board now.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:40 PM
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33. If he changes his stance on tax-cuts whose going to believe him?
I don't think changing his stance is going to cut it.
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rslag Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:52 PM
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40. I agree

But lets face it; Dean was sent out to sea when he embraced Gores’ support.
Dean thinks anyone West of the Hudson is a toothless hillbilly moron, and Al wants to take all our guns and beat us over the head with his book Earth-in-the-Balance.
Perception is reality folks.
Number one rule about holes Howard: When you find yourself suck in one, stop digging.
Angry-Man Dean can kiss the South goodbye; he has literally handed it to Bush.
Say goodnight, turn out the lights, and go home. You blew-it on a national level.
Hillary one, Dean zero.
Nobody, Democrats or Republicans want to see 2000 revisited.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:41 PM
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19. only if we all bust ass to help them
because the fact that they are both rookies is a serious setback. Any combination of Dean/Clark would provide excellent debates against AWOL boy.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:43 PM
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21. Yes
all bases would be covered against the Rove machine.
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Anaxamander Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:53 PM
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22. So which would be stronger, Dean/Clark or Clark/Dean? (nt)
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:56 PM
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23. Dean/Clark IMHO would be best for win.
n/t
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:58 PM
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24. They'd hand Bush's ass to him on a platter
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:08 PM
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25. A landside victory for sure!
n/t
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:19 PM
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26. Clearly most people taking this poll think Dean/Clark would take out
Bush. A potent combination of Democrats.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:20 PM
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27. astute observation
:thumbsup:
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:32 PM
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28. If we had FAIR / HONEST elections....hell! Even I could beat bush
The key will be who owns/programs the voting machines.

:kick:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 04:22 PM
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46. We need a paper trail
period. Just in case...
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guajira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:37 PM
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29. Yes! But Clark/Dean Would be better!
IMHO!!
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SEAburb Donating Member (985 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:37 PM
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30. another thread trying to undercut Clark's candidacy
What a sleazy game is being played here. Every party insider knows Bob Graham will be VP.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:38 PM
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31. Dean's success is undercutting Clarks candidacy
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:39 PM
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32. I believe Dean was ahead
when Clark entered.
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SEAburb Donating Member (985 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:47 PM
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39. That's what the primary hijackers want people to believe
The Dem ticket will be ?/Graham. Graham has the bottom position locked up.
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guajira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:45 AM
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51. Graham Would be a Real Detriment to Dem ticket
He couldn't even raise money in Florida to stay in the race. Floridians I talked to at FLA State Convention wish he would just retire and write a book or something!

We need a VP candidate who will help take the southern states. My choice would be Hillary! If not her, then Dean or Clark, or even Edwards.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:42 PM
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36. Look, taking back the country is no game.
It's vital. No undercutting or anti-Clark issues from this independent voter that desires a Democratic victory over Bush.
Hell, I'm for Dennis Kucinich myself as are a lot of other DUers.
But we've got to start unifying around the next President now.

Explore the strength of a Dean/Clark ticket. Formidable indeed IMHO.
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SEAburb Donating Member (985 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:53 PM
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41. Clark/Dean or Dean/Clark isn't going to happen
period!
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:41 PM
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34. Dean/Clark, Clark/Dean, either way is OK by me. . .
Remember, eyes on the prize everybody.

Lick Bush - Beat Dick


:kick::kick::kick:
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:42 PM
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35. No.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:46 PM
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38. Nice new pic, Billy! n/t
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:45 PM
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37. Now doubt that Clark
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 01:48 PM by in_cog_ni_to
could get Dean into the WH, but it's not going to happen because he has already said he will not be Dean's VP.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 03:54 PM
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44. I didn't hear him say that.
If he did, he should seriously reconsider as an American.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:54 PM
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43. Definitely, if...
...they avoid developing the kind of antipathy towards each other that there respective supporters seem to have.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 04:11 PM
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45. You're right when we consider DU
but what about the nation?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 05:39 PM
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47. What is there to prevent such a ticket, really?
n/t
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 05:42 PM
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48. Without question.
I would give us a 55% chance of beating Bush with that ticket.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 05:50 PM
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49. I'm not a Dean supporter...
But I'm starting to like this ticket a lot more. Clark is an extremely valuable aid to Clark's position on the war. Both candidates are strong and have a good message. Kerry, Clark, and Dean are all very presidential and all have a great chance in my opinion.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 05:52 PM
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50. Absolutely.
:bounce:
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 11:08 AM
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52. The choice of VP rarely makes any difference. n/t
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 11:26 AM
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54. Dean will not stand up to the media onslaught any better than Gore did
I was so pissed at the media for attacking Gore and giving Bush a free ride in 2000 and I feel they will do it again this time. I haven't seen Dean stand up to them in any of his appearances and I have to admit I haven't seen much of his appearances since I don't like him as my President.

Clark will not play second place to Dean so you should forget about that scenario. If Dean needs Clark to win then it proves he can't beat Bush period.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 11:38 AM
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55. I'll Vote For The Democratic Nominee-It's A Matter Of Religion With Me
but I have a feeling in the pit of my stomach that I will be voting with the same foreboding of the results that I had in 1980, 1984, and 1988....

I was encouraged by the late polls in 00 showing Gore closing the gap....
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 11:51 AM
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56. Can they yes, will they...?
I think they could beat Bush - but, remember, we're going up against Bush and his $250 million war chest and a mass of corporate media that has barely covered many of the Bush scandals. It will be a tough fight for anybody.
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