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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:17 PM
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What Dean was REALLY saying during the Iraq War debate
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 02:22 PM by Skinner
I think this "angels on the head of a pin" sniping among Democrats about Iraq is one reason Bush will probably win next year.

The FACT is Dean was not waffling about his stance earlier this year when the debate over whether to invade Iraq was going hot and heavy. Whether or not he supported Biden-Lugar is just useless nuance. He explained his position then.

Here, thanks to Google and Project Vote Smart, is what Dean was saying when it was not a "safe" position to be against Bush's war plans.

(The caps are in the original.)

http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=M000003569&keyword=Iraq+War+resolution%2C+vote&phrase=&contain=&PHPSESSID=b45e0f23a5005e145f8792d06002f0da

Speaker: Mr. Howard Dean
Title: Iowa Public Television Transcript
Location: Unknown
Date: 03/07/2003


Beck: GOVERNOR, LET'S START WITH A TOPIC THAT'S ON A LOT OF PEOPLE'S MINDS, AND THAT IS: WHAT SHOULD WE DO ABOUT IRAQ, AND IS SADDAM HUSSEIN AN IMMINENT THREAT?

Dean: I THINK SADDAM HUSSEIN IS NOT AN IMMINENT THREAT. HE DOES NOT POSSESS NUCLEAR WEAPONS. HE DOES NOT HAVE A CREDIBLE NUCLEAR PROGRAM, NOR IS THERE MUCH EVIDENCE THAT HE'S GIVING WEAPONS TO THE TERRORISTS. THOSE THINGS WOULD MAKE HIM AN IMMINENT THREAT. BUT I DISAGREE WITH THE FOLKS FROM WASHINGTON WHO I'M RUNNING AGAINST; I DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO GIVE THE PRESIDENT UNILATERAL AUTHORITY TO GO TO WAR BECAUSE I DON'T THINK SADDAM IS AN IMMINENT THREAT. I THINK NORTH KOREA IS AN IMMINENT THREAT AND WE'RE NOT PAYING ENOUGH ATTENTION TO THAT. BUT IRAQ, I THINK THE SITUATION IS -- I THINK THIS IS THE WRONG WAR AT THE WRONG TIME.


Beck: IS THERE A TIME WHEN YOU WOULD USE FORCE AGAINST IRAQ?

Dean: YES. I THINK, FIRST OF ALL, IF IRAQ BECAME AN IMMINENT THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES, WE CLEARLY HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES. SECONDLY, I THINK THE UNITED NATIONS SHOULD DISARM SADDAM HUSSEIN. I THINK WE HAVE SOME TIME. I'D LIKE TO SEE --THE INSPECTIONS SEEM TO BE WORKING, BUT IF WE -- IF THE UNITED NATIONS DECIDED THEY HAD TO USE FORCE TO REMOVE SADDAM HUSSEIN'S ARMS, THEN I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

Yepsen: GOVERNOR, WHAT ARE YOUR DIFFERENCES WITH OTHER DEMOCRATS ON THE ISSUE OF IRAQ, THE OTHER DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES?



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http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=M000003570&keyword=Iraq+War+resolution%2C+vote&phrase=&contain=&PHPSESSID=b45e0f23a5005e145f8792d06002f0da

Speaker: Mr. Howard Dean
Title: NBC Meet the Press with Tim Russert Transcript
Location: Unknown
Date: 03/09/2003

(There's much more in this transcript.)

EXCERPT

....I have never said that the United States ought to defend itself based on what the United Nations wants to do. The case that I have made against the war is simply that this is the wrong war at the wrong time. Saddam, in my view, has been successfully contained for 12 years at a relatively low cost. We now have a huge problem in North Korea, which the president is claiming is a regional crisis.

I think it's an enormous world crisis which isn't being paid enough attention to. We still have the question of al-Qaeda, despite the successful capture of the number-three guy this week, of being vulnerable, in my view, to terror, and I don't think that this is the right investment of our international prestige or our troops. We can stop Saddam Hussein from doing anything for another 12 years if we have to without invading. And I think it sends the wrong signal to the world.

MR. RUSSERT: In an interview with Roll Call, the Capitol Hill newspaper, in January, you said this, “In a meeting...with 'Roll Call' editors and reporters, Dean said this if President Bush presented evidence that Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction, 'Then I'd go back to the U.N. and get a new resolution that either disarms in 60 days or we go in.'”

Isn't that exactly what the president did in November? He went to the United Nations, made the case, and it's now been 120 days and Saddam Hussein is still not cooperating.

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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:21 PM
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1. Don't confuse people with Dean's actual positions...
This is demagogic undergound, dangit.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:22 PM
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2. You'll confuse folks with "pesky facts"... lies & spin are much more fun!
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:24 PM
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3. That's just TRUTH so stop it !
TSK, We won't have anything to attack each other about anymore !!


:spank:


:hippie:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:26 PM
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4. FACT: Dean supported Biden-Lugar.
FACT: Biden-Lugar allowed Bush to determine need for use of force.

FACT: Dean attacked other candidates who supported IWR for provision that allowed Bush to determine the need for use of force.

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:32 PM
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5. Angels on a pin
The fact is that Deanm clearly outlines his objections to Bush's policies at the time, and explained why, and what he would do.

The rest is just "insider baseball" stuff.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:36 PM
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21. So did Kerry, and Kerry got inspectors in
through his negotiations and stopped Bush from adding Iran and Syria, and got him back to the UN to show evidence. Yet there is no value in that to you? To the world? That show of evidence to the UN didn't cut into Bush's credibility?
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:47 PM
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9. FACT: John Kerry voted for the war...how are you justifying your outrage?
You can call Dean a liar all day but that does SQUAT to help a failing candicay like that of John Kerry's.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:53 PM
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13. FACT: Dean supported voting for Biden-Lugar
which was a vote for the war.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:53 PM
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12. Fact: Your guy is WAY behind Dean
and voted for the war.

Fact: :cry:
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:37 PM
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6. One more time for the pity parade: Dean's greatest Iraq hits!

Vermont Gov. Howard Dean said if Saddam is shown to have atomic or biological weapons, the United States must act. But he also said Bush must first convince Americans that Iraq has these weapons and then prepare them for the likelihood American troops would be there for a decade.

August 12, 2002

President Bush would have to meet two criteria before he ordered a U.S. invasion, Dean said Sunday during a presidential campaign trip to New Hampshire.

"The first is, he has to show the American people, as President Kennedy did in the Cuban missile crisis, that there’s evidence (Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein) has either atomic or biological weapons and can deliver them," Dean said. "So far he has not made that case. So where’s the threat? We need to see that evidence."

...

"We also have to be honest about how long we’re going to be there. We’re going to have American troops on the ground in Iraq for 10 years," Dean said. "If we’re not honest about that, then I don’t think the president ought to have the right to make the decision to go into a war with Iraq because the American people ought to be told ahead of time what that’s going to mean to us."

August 21, 2002

“He needs to first make the case and he has not done that,” Dean said. “He has never come out and said Saddam (Hussein) has the atomic bomb and we need to deal with him.”

...

"He needs to be forthright with the American people about what this means," said Dean. "If we go into Iraq, we’re going to have to stay for probably five or 10 years."

He warned that simply deposing Hussein is not enough. The United States would have to plant the seeds of democracy in a country with little such tradition, he said.

"Americans are going to have to die and a lot of money is going to be spent," said Dean.

...

"The American people need to be told the truth up front," said Dean. "It’s not going to Afghanistan and it’s not going to be the last Iraqi war. If we don’t stay there and remold the country into a democratic country, which will take 10 years, then it’s stupid to go in there."

September 04, 2002


"There's substantial doubt that is as much of a threat as the Bush administration claims." Though Americans might initially rally to military action, 'that support will be very short-lived once American kids start coming home in boxes,' Mr. Dean warned Wednesday as he campaigned in Iowa.

September 06, 2002

"The president has to do two things to get the country's long-term support for the invasion of Iraq," Dean said in a telephone interview. "He has done neither yet." Dean said President Bush needs to make the case that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, such as atomic or biological weapons, and the means to use them. Bush also needs to explain to the American public that a war against Iraq is going to require a long commitment.

September 18, 2002

Dean, in an interview Tuesday, said flatly that he did not believe Bush has made "the case that we need to invade Iraq." Dean said he could support military action, even outside the U.N., if Bush could "establish with reasonable credibility" that Hussein had the capacity to deliver either nuclear or biological weapons against the United States and its allies. But he said that the president, to this point, hadn't passed that test.

"He is asking American families to sacrifice their children, and he's got to have something more than, 'This is an evil man,' " Dean said. "There are a lot of evil people running countries around the world; we don't bomb every one of them. We don't ask our children to die over every one of them."

September 18, 2002

"I think most of the focus on Iraq is because of their terrible record on the economy and health care," said Dean, a Democrat. "I think there’s a healthy amount of domestic politics involved."

September 25, 2002

"There’s no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat to the United States and to our allies," Dean said on CBS’ "Face The Nation" via satellite from Austin, Texas.

"The question is, ‘Is he an immediate threat?’ The president has not yet made the case for that. I think it may very well be, particularly with the news that we’ve had over the weekend, that we are going to end up in Iraq. But I think it’s got to be gone about in a very different way."

...

While Dean said the United States must defend itself unilaterally if necessary, he emphasized that now is the time to be getting the cooperation of the United Nations Security Council and U.S. allies.

"It’s not good for the future of the foreign policy of this country to be the big bully on the block and tell people we’re going to do what we want to do," he said.

September 29, 2002

Kerry said he expects Democrats will overwhelmingly approve the pending Senate resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq. "I think there will be a significantly more unified front than in the last Gulf War," he said.

But Dean said there are significant differences among Democrats on the issue, and suggested a political motive for presidential moves toward war.

"What’s the imminent danger?" he asked. "The president has never said, and all the intelligence reports say there isn’t any. It’s hard to escape the conclusion that some of this has to do with the midterm elections."
October 6, 2002


"The president approached it in exactly the wrong way. The first thing I would have done is gone to United Nations Security Council and gone to our allies and say, "Look, the UN resolutions are being violated. If you don't enforce them, then we will have to." The first choice, however, is to enforce them through the UN and with our allies. That's the underlying approach."

October 31st, 2002

"I would like to at least have the president, who I think is an honest person, look us in the eye and say, 'We have evidence, here it is.' We've never heard the president of the United States say that. There is nothing but innuendo, and I want to see some hard facts."

December 22, 2002


Appearing on the CBS news show "Face the Nation," Dean, who is running for president, said President Bush had not made the case to go to war against Saddam Hussein’s Iraq.

...

"I do not believe the president has made the case to send American kids and grandkids to die in Iraq. And until he does that, I don't think we ought to be going into Iraq. So I think the two situations are fairly different. Iraq does not possess nuclear weapons. The best intelligence that anybody can find, certainly that I can find, is that it will be at least a year before he does so and maybe five years."

January 05, 2003

"I personally believe hasn’t made his case"

January 10, 2003

Dean, meanwhile, said he would not have voted for the Iraq resolution, though he is not against the use of military force if necessary.

"The problem with the resolution on Iraq is the president has never made his case," he said.

January 23, 2003

"These are the young men and women who will be asked to risk their lives for freedom. We certainly deserve more information before sending them off to war."

January 29, 2003

"The secretary of state made a compelling case for what the American people already know: Saddam Hussein is a deceitful tyrant who must be disarmed," said Dean. "But I heard little today that leads me to believe that there is an imminent threat warranting unilateral military action by the United States against Iraq."

...

"I am not in the no-way camp. Definitely not. I think Saddam must be disarmed. The problem I have is that I have a deep reluctance to attack a country unilaterally without a pretty high standard of proof," he said. "I am hoping to resolve this peacefully.

"To say you are in the not-yet camp implies that war is inevitable and I don’t think that is true," he added.

Dean did say he is not completely opposed to a U.S. attack on Iraq: "There are circumstances under which I would attack Iraq unilaterally, but we are very far from those circumstances."

February 5, 2003

"Terrorism around the globe is a far greater danger to the United States than Iraq. We are pursuing the wrong war,"

February 5, 2003

"We ought not to resort to unilateral action unless there is an imminent threat to the United States. And the secretary of State and the president have not made a case that such an imminent threat exists.''

February 12, 2003

In an interview, Dean said that he opposed the congressional resolution and remained unconvinced that Hussein was an imminent threat to the United States. He said he would not support sending U.S. troops to Iraq unless the United Nations specifically approved the move and backed it with action of its own.

"They have to send troops," he said.
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/nation/5236485.htm">Feb. 22, 2003

"Well, I think that the United Nations makes it clear that Saddam has to disarm, and if he doesn't, then they will disarm him militarily. I have no problem with supporting a United Nations attack on Iraq, but I want it to be supported by the United Nations. That's a well-constituted body. The problem with the so-called multilateral attack that the president is talking about is an awful lot of countries, for example, like Turkey-- we gave them $20 billion in loan guarantees and outright grants in order to secure their permission to attack. I don't think that's the right way to put together a coalition. I think this really has to be a world matter. Saddam must be disarmed. He is as evil as everybody says he is. But we need to respect the legal rights that are involved here. Unless they are an imminent threat, we do not have a legal right, in my view, to attack them.

February 27, 2003

Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean said Friday he remains unimpressed with President Bush’s argument for attacking Iraq and he called for a standdown of military force.

"We ought not to go attack unilaterally or preemptively," Dean said. "We have a right to strike against those countries that pose an imminent threat and I don’t think Saddam possess an imminent threat."

March 8, 2003

The key is there has to be an imminent danger in order to go into Iraq.
March 9, 2003

MR. RUSSERT: In an interview with Roll Call, the Capitol Hill newspaper, in January, you said this, "In a meeting...with 'Roll Call' editors and reporters, Dean said this if President Bush presented evidence that Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction, 'Then I'd go back to the U.N. and get a new resolution that either disarms in 60 days or we go in.'"

Isn't that exactly what the president did in November? He went to the United Nations, made the case, and it's now been 120 days and Saddam Hussein is still not cooperating.

MR. DEAN: See, I don't think the president has made the case. I think what the president has made a reasonable case for is that Saddam is moving weapons around in terms of biologicals and chemicals, perhaps. He has not made a case for the three things that I think require or enable us to invade unilaterally or pre-emptively or preventively, as we are now calling it. He has not made the case for Saddam possessing nuclear weapons. He has not made the case that he has any kind of a credible nuclear program. And he has not made the case that Saddam is giving weapons of mass destruction to the terrorists. If he were doing any of those things, I think we would have a right to defend ourselves, and we should go in. That case has not been made, either by the president or Secretary Powell, and I don't think that we ought to go in, if we don't want to use the word unilaterally, than preventively or pre-emptively.

...

MR. RUSSERT: If he hadn't disarmed within a year, would that be too long?

MR. DEAN: Well, again, Tim, I prefer very strongly that the United Nations make this decision about disarming Saddam. I said to Mort Kondracke, I think we can get a resolution, and I hope we will get a resolution that says 60 days, but it's the United Nations resolution that's important here.

March 9, 2003

What I want to know is what in the world so many Democrats are doing supporting the President’s unilateral intervention in Iraq?

March 15th, 2003

"I went to Parris Island so I could look into the faces of the kids who will be sent to Iraq," Dean told a cheering lunchtime crowd in Concord, N.H. "We should always support our kids, but I do not support this president's policies and I will continue to say so."

March 18, 2003

"Anti-war Presidential candidate Howard Dean said he will not silence his criticism of President Bush's Iraq policy now that the war has begun, but he will stop the 'red meat' partisan attacks.

"No matter how strongly I oppose the President's policy, I will continue to support American troops who are now in harms way," said Dean

March 20, 2003

While Dean said he was staunchly opposed to the war and planned to continue criticizing it, he also said the United States should keep fighting, putting him at odds with other antiwar activists who have been calling for an immediate cease-fire.

''We're in. We don't have any choice now. But this is the wrong choice,'' Dean said. ''There will be some who think we should get out immediately, but I don't think that's an easy position to take.''

March 23, 2003

"I’m certainly not going to change my message," Dean said. "I don’t see how I could. I think the war is a problem, in terms of our long-term foreign policy."

"What I’ve said is, I’m not going to criticize the president in a partisan way or in a personal way during the war," said Dean. "But for me to change my policy on that now wouldn’t make any sense. I haven’t altered my view about this."

March 24, 2003

On day one of a Dean Presidency, I will reverse this attitude. I will tear up the Bush Doctrine. And I will steer us back into the company of the community of nations where we will exercise moral leadership once again.

April 17th, 2003
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:44 PM
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8. Great
I was looking for quotes from further back. You saved me thr trouble. Thanks.

The point of all of this is that Dean was consistent throughout it all.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:39 PM
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7. More
http://www.aaiusa.org/dean_quotes.htm#Iraq

“The greatest fear that I have about Iraq is not just that we will engage in an unwise, unjust war and send our children to die without having an adequate explanation from the president of the United States…The greater fear that I have is that the president has never said what the truth is and that if we go into Iraq, we will be there for 10 years to build that democracy.” (Boston Globe, October 7th, 2002)
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:49 PM
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10. Don't go confusing Dean haters with facts
They can't stand it. THey'll just turn into blm shouting "BIDEN-LUGAR!!! BIDEN-LUGAR!!!! BIDEN-LUGAR!!!!"

Never mind that Kerry voted for the IWR, no, no, nothing to see there...
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:52 PM
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11. This is in March
It has nothing to do with what he said back in Sept 2002, when people actually had to make a decision on whether or not to vote on a resolution or how to handle Iraq.

This is the Joe Trippi created anti-war maverick outsider. Anything he said after Joe Trippi came on board is a creation of Trippi and nothing more.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:57 PM
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15. Yup, it's a Joe Trippi Creation
Just like Joe Trippi created the following:

Dean's lead in the polls.

Dean's Grassroots supporters. over 500,000 strong.

Dean's fundraising prowess.

Dean's endorsements from MANY people, in addition to Gore.

The distance between Dean and your candidate...

Yup. That Joe Trippi, what a guy!


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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:00 PM
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16. I heard he also created the Earth in seven days...
Trippi sure is something!
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:01 PM
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17. Quotes from before the vote

Vermont Gov. Howard Dean said if Saddam is shown to have atomic or biological weapons, the United States must act. But he also said Bush must first convince Americans that Iraq has these weapons and then prepare them for the likelihood American troops would be there for a decade.

August 12, 2002

President Bush would have to meet two criteria before he ordered a U.S. invasion, Dean said Sunday during a presidential campaign trip to New Hampshire.

"The first is, he has to show the American people, as President Kennedy did in the Cuban missile crisis, that there’s evidence (Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein) has either atomic or biological weapons and can deliver them," Dean said. "So far he has not made that case. So where’s the threat? We need to see that evidence."

...

"We also have to be honest about how long we’re going to be there. We’re going to have American troops on the ground in Iraq for 10 years," Dean said. "If we’re not honest about that, then I don’t think the president ought to have the right to make the decision to go into a war with Iraq because the American people ought to be told ahead of time what that’s going to mean to us."

August 21, 2002

“He needs to first make the case and he has not done that,” Dean said. “He has never come out and said Saddam (Hussein) has the atomic bomb and we need to deal with him.”

...

"He needs to be forthright with the American people about what this means," said Dean. "If we go into Iraq, we’re going to have to stay for probably five or 10 years."

He warned that simply deposing Hussein is not enough. The United States would have to plant the seeds of democracy in a country with little such tradition, he said.

"Americans are going to have to die and a lot of money is going to be spent," said Dean.

...

"The American people need to be told the truth up front," said Dean. "It’s not going to Afghanistan and it’s not going to be the last Iraqi war. If we don’t stay there and remold the country into a democratic country, which will take 10 years, then it’s stupid to go in there."

September 04, 2002


"There's substantial doubt that is as much of a threat as the Bush administration claims." Though Americans might initially rally to military action, 'that support will be very short-lived once American kids start coming home in boxes,' Mr. Dean warned Wednesday as he campaigned in Iowa.

September 06, 2002

"The president has to do two things to get the country's long-term support for the invasion of Iraq," Dean said in a telephone interview. "He has done neither yet." Dean said President Bush needs to make the case that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, such as atomic or biological weapons, and the means to use them. Bush also needs to explain to the American public that a war against Iraq is going to require a long commitment.

September 18, 2002

Dean, in an interview Tuesday, said flatly that he did not believe Bush has made "the case that we need to invade Iraq." Dean said he could support military action, even outside the U.N., if Bush could "establish with reasonable credibility" that Hussein had the capacity to deliver either nuclear or biological weapons against the United States and its allies. But he said that the president, to this point, hadn't passed that test.

"He is asking American families to sacrifice their children, and he's got to have something more than, 'This is an evil man,' " Dean said. "There are a lot of evil people running countries around the world; we don't bomb every one of them. We don't ask our children to die over every one of them."

September 18, 2002

"I think most of the focus on Iraq is because of their terrible record on the economy and health care," said Dean, a Democrat. "I think there’s a healthy amount of domestic politics involved."

September 25, 2002

"There’s no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat to the United States and to our allies," Dean said on CBS’ "Face The Nation" via satellite from Austin, Texas.

"The question is, ‘Is he an immediate threat?’ The president has not yet made the case for that. I think it may very well be, particularly with the news that we’ve had over the weekend, that we are going to end up in Iraq. But I think it’s got to be gone about in a very different way."

...

While Dean said the United States must defend itself unilaterally if necessary, he emphasized that now is the time to be getting the cooperation of the United Nations Security Council and U.S. allies.

"It’s not good for the future of the foreign policy of this country to be the big bully on the block and tell people we’re going to do what we want to do," he said.

September 29, 2002

Kerry said he expects Democrats will overwhelmingly approve the pending Senate resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq. "I think there will be a significantly more unified front than in the last Gulf War," he said.

But Dean said there are significant differences among Democrats on the issue, and suggested a political motive for presidential moves toward war.

"What’s the imminent danger?" he asked. "The president has never said, and all the intelligence reports say there isn’t any. It’s hard to escape the conclusion that some of this has to do with the midterm elections."
October 6, 2002
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:25 PM
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20. Well, I guess sand_and_sea didn't see it the first time.
Thanks for getting all of these Dean links for us. Seems pretty clear to me that Dean has been consistently against the war since way back in 2002, and clearly stated the requirements for action.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:54 PM
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14. Armstead
Per DU copyright rules
please post only 4
paragraphs from the
news source.

Thank you.


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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:05 PM
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18. Okay
I was wondering about that. Sorry.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:23 PM
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19. What was Kerry saying during the run up to war, I wonder?
Any supporters out there to help me out?

Anybody?

Cause all I could find was this:


Now as to Iraq: I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq — Saddam Hussein is a renegade and outlaw who turned his back on the tough conditions of his surrender put in place by the United Nations in 1991.


GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS
Senator Kerry, the first question goes to you. On March 19th, President Bush ordered General Tommy Franks to execute the invasion of Iraq. Was that the right decision at the right time?

SENATOR JOHN KERRY
George, I said at the time I would have preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity, but I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him.


May 4th, 2004


That said, Saddam Hussein is a tyrant, truly the personification of evil. He has launched two wars of aggression against his neighbors, perpetrated environmental disaster, purposefully destabilized an entire region of the world, murdered tens of thousands of his own citizens, flouted the will of the United Nations and the world in acquiring weapons of mass destruction, conspired to assassinate the former President of the United States, and provided harbor and support to terrorists bent on destroying us and our friends.

From that perspective, regardless of the Administration's mishandling of so much of this situation, no President can defer the national security decisions of this country to the United Nations or any other multilateral institution or individual country.

Even having botched the diplomacy, it is the duty of any President, in the final analysis, to defend this nation and dispel the security threats - threats both immediate and longer term - against it.

Saddam Hussein has brought military action upon himself by refusing for twelve years to comply with the mandates of the United Nations. The brave and capable men and women of our armed forces and those who are with us will quickly , I know, remove him once and for all as a threat to his neighbors, to the world, and to his own people, and I support their doing so.


March 17th, 2003

Saddam Hussein made a grave error when he chose to make war with the ultimate
weapons-inspections enforcement mechanism


April 11th, 2003
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In response to Will's post.

He sounds pretty consistent to me.
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