I learned something about Reagan today.

It dosen't matter.

Iran/Contra? I don't care about that.

Weapons to Saddam Hussain? Don't care about that either.

Ronald was the greatest president we have ever had and it dosen't matter waht he did while he was in power. I learned this while holding a conversation with one of my cow-irkers. He is a die hard Reagan lover, and hates Carter adn Clinton. None of the good things Jim and Bill have done amount to anything, and anyhting Ron did bad don't either.

How can we have been so wrong all this time?

And it looks like they are adopting the same tact with their current Tin God.

Republican=good, democrat=bad

There is no changing their mind. Believe me, I've tried.

they say : Reagan was the greatest leader of the 20th century

I say "what about all of the scandals, indictments etc."

they say: he didnt know about that. That was done without his approval.

in Summary the "greatest leader" in the 20th century had no clue was his people were doing or was totally involved. your choice .

...it dosen't matter either way. It was all done for the greater glory of the US and that makes it completely justifiable and excusable.

has two things that will prevent it from working against the Repubs today.

1) It's more complicated than a blowjob.

2) It happened 20 years ago.

Numbnuts like the guy you talked to also honestly believe that any bit of dirt on Reagan was just concocted by Democrats anyway (and, naturally, that EVERY rumor about Clinton, no matter how unfounded, is 100% true and maybe even worse than rumored).

exactly why nobody (but the screaming righties) really thought that WhiteWater was relevent.

1.First to turn America into a DEBTOR nation
2. First to increase DEBT faster than growth of national income in eight years
3. First to increase DEBT faster than growth of gdp over eight years
4. First to double the deficit in just eigh t years
5. First to “almost”: triple the national DEBT in just eight years
6. First to increase SPENDING by 80%--over 8 years.
7. First to SPEND more in eight years than was spent in prior 50 years.
8. First to have “real” INTEREST RATES of 8% after averaging 1% over 35 years.
9. First to keep PRIME INTEREST RATES at 20%.
10.First to over value the dollar to the yen at rate of 262 yen to 1 dollar.
11.First to have served as Governor and increase STATE SPENDING by 112%
12.First to have HOME LOAN INTEREST RATES as high as 16%
13. First to CUT TAXES by 60% for his rich pals
14. First to allow the SAVINGS AND LOAN INDUSTRY to be raided after signing a deregulatory bill and proclaiming “I think we have hit the jackpot”. Come and get it the vaults are unguarded.
15. First to deal with TERRORISTS
16. First to send an AUTOGRAPHED BIBLE to a man he called “The Satan of Terrorists”.
17. First to have an ADMIRAL plead the Fifth Amendment.
18. First to have a stealing, lying, gutless wife abusing MARINE LT. COLONEL plead the Fifth Amendment.
19. First to have a “sitting” CABINET MEMBER INDICTED
20. First to have an ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE INDICTED.
21. First to have an ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE SENT TO PRISON.
22. First to have over 100 MEMBERS OF AN ADMINISTRATION CHARGED WITH CRIMES..
23. First to have more members of his administration charged with crimes than CUMULATIVE TOTAL OF ALL OTHER PRESIDENTS in the twentieth century
24. First to set a record for the LARGEST ONE DAY PERCENTAGE DECLINE in the DOW in history. 10-19-87
25. First to have over $10,000,000 INCREASE IN WEALTH from serving for 8 years as president.
26. First to testify ”under oath” 130 times that ”I DON’T REMEMBER” .
27. First to have an Admiral with a photographic memory testify 128 times “ I DON’T REMEMBER”.
28. First to undergo BRAIN SURGERY a few months after leaving office. No pain no gain.
29. First to, repeatedly, FALSIFY HIS WIFE’S AGE. As tho anyone cared.
30. First to promote his religious faith and never have an ACTIVE CHURCH MEMBERSHIP.
31. First to never use the term JESUS CHRIST in speeches.
32. First to seek GUIDANCE FROM THE STARS not from God
33. First to have had a SHOTGUN WEDDING.
34. First to have worked as a SHILL in Las Vegas.
35. First to call a Stealing, Lying, Psychotic, wife abusing Marine a “LIAR.
36. First to have been OPENLY ALIENATED from his children.
37. First To have served with ALZHIMERS
38. First to have UNEMPLOYMENT AT 10.8% since great depression.
39. First to attack a small unprotected nation with 88,000 inhabitants and 10,000 bb guns then PROCLAIM -“America stands tall again”- “we have whipped the Vietnam Syndrome”-we have defeated communism”. Gosh! What if we had whipped Cyprus?.
40. #1-in FARM FORECLOSURES
41. #1-In BANK FAILURES
42. #1-In SAVINGS AND LOAN FAILURES
43. #1-In Percent increase in PERSONAL BANKRUPTCIES
44. #1-In recorded MISSTATEMENTS
45. #1-In never having a single press conference in which he did not make at least one or more INCORRECT STATEMENTS.
46. #1-In needing a staff person standby during press conferences to tell the press “WHAT HE REALLY MEANT”.
47. #1-In having SERVICEMEN KILLED during peacetime.
48. #1-In largest DROP IN POPULARITY in one week.
49. #1-In being first to HONOR NAZI STORM TROOPERS by calling them” Innocent Victims”
50. #1-In being first to be labeled “BRAIN DEAD AFFABLE DUNCE’ by this writer.
51. First to lie-over and over-to reporters “I DO NOT DYE MY HAIR my barber uses a special shampoo”
52. First to have a wife who ”forced” him to WEAR THREE SUITS in one day
53. First to boast “Not bad for a DUMB GUY who worked only 20 hours per week”.
54. First to have his wife sit nearby and WHISPER ANSWERS to questions
55. First to FALL ASLEEP while the Pope spoke
56. First to invite the Pope to visit the White House and “BRING THE WIFE AND KIDS”
57. First to have his press secretary remove him from the microphone because he could not answer questions. Then, as the reporter
yelled out “answer my question” he replied “MY HANDLERS WON’T LET ME SPEAK”. Quick get the white coat.
58. First 20th Century president to have historians RATE HIM BELOW every president of the 20th except for Richard Nixon. 1994 Poll.
59. First to give us a First Lady with a past reputation for giving the BEST BJ in Hollywood.
60. First to suggest his eldest son undergo PSYCHIATRIC examination
61. First to have been voted in British polls (twice) as the ”MOST FEARED LEADER IN THE WORLD” sic em Rambo.
62. First to serve as Governor on a ”conservative” platform and INCREASE SPENDING BY 112%.
63. First Governor TO INCREASE personal income taxes by 60%, tax increase on cigarettes by 200%, state tax collections by 152%.
64. First to have a Special Assistant say on national TV “sometimes you had to HIT HIM ON THE HEAD with a 2 x 4 to get his attention”
65. First to have his official biographer state on national TV ‘After he was shot in 1981he GOT SLOWER AND SLOWER EACH YEAR. His speech got slower. He deliberated more and he hesitated more when he spoke. He lost his physical quickness and would not make decisions on the spot. It was a very, very slow and steady mental and physical decline”.
66. First to have a POPULARITY RATING OF ONLY 35% after his first two years in office.
67. First president to have been DIVORCED
68. First president to have the Geriatrics Department of a major
university study his behavior and conclude that AFTER THREE YEARS IN OFFICE HE HAD ALZHIMERS.

#39 is wrong, I think. I remember CLEARLY hearing those words come outta Shrub's daddy's mouth in reference to Family Feud I, er, I mean, the FIRST Gulf War. Unless Reagan said them first, but I don't remember him doing so.

Being a big fan of the Showtime movie about his assassination attempt, you could add:

First to have his Secretary of State leapfrog the line of cecession, First administration to LOSE the atomic football (the button, in other words), FIRST to distance themselves politically from his press secretary for taking a bullet for him, and FIRST President to not cecede the Office, even while he was under anethesia!

which, coincidently, happened immediately after the Beirut bombing fiasco when we lost 250 American marines on a politically demanded "show the flag" exercise. This may have been the original "wag the dog" distraction strategy as well as their chickenhawk war plan...invade/defeat a defenseless nation, then proclaim a great military victory.

If he was so great why has God inflicted upon him the closest thing a human can come to a living hell, a disease that slowly eats the conscious mind?

It seems to me that there is a reason God hates Ronbo.

And yes I know this makes me a bad person. But some days it's hard not to believe with evil glee in karma. How many times at the Iran-Contra hearings did he say "I do not recall"?

It's like the universe said, "Alright motherfucker, I'll make good and damn sure you don't recall."

I try not to be vindictive like this and I'm waiting patiently for DarkPhenyx to remind me that it's bad for my karma. :-)

Diseases and addictions...two things that I won't beat people up over. If they become hypocritical about it then they are fair game, but until Ron and Nancy start kicking the retarded or something I'm going to hold my tongue over it.

Why the hell do you think they're all out on the street?!?

when I was a baby - what does that say about God?

Anything good that the Shrub has done doesn't matter either... because it doesn't exist.

hit him on the head with a shovel?

There's nothing you can say to change the mind of someone like that. You have to hit them on the head with a shovel - it'll either knock some sense into them or put them out of your misery. :evilgrin:

funny

I can't take credit. It's another one of those southern saying I heard all the time growing up from my momma. She's a funny lady. :-)

One of your "cow-irkers". *snort* Too funny. *smooch*

Sleepwalking Through History: America in the Reagan Years, by Haynes Johnson

Ever read Orwell's "1984".

Classic Doublethink.

This is no accident or coincidence. Thsi is the result of 25 years of Bushevik assaults on America, including the FCC rules that were originally put in place after seeing what Stalin and Hitler did with their media and to guard against it happening here.

It's no coincidence that the FCC rules have been assaulted by the Busheviks or that the curiously coincidental timing that once they were fully released from those FCC rules, that pale imitations of Stalin's and Hitler's media began to be on OUR TVs.

No coincidence at all. These are people with a long-range plan and I'm not so certain it wasn't laid down by the Operation Paperclip nazis the Busheviks brought over in the 40s and 50s.

Letter from Rep Dingell to Leslie Moonves:
(found at http://www.dailykos.com/section/Media)


Mr. Leslie Moonves
President and CEO
CBS Television
51 West 52nd Street
New York, NY 10019

Dear Mr. Moonves:

I write to you with regard to your upcoming mini-series "The Reagans." I share the concerns expressed by others that it may not present an accurate depiction of the Reagan administration and America during the 1980s. I trust that CBS will not be a party to a distorted presentation of American history, and that the mini-series will present a fair and balanced portrayal of the Reagans, the 1980s and their legacy.

As someone who served with President Reagan, and in the interest of historical accuracy, please allow me to share with you some of my recollections of the Reagan years that I hope will make it into the final cut of the mini-series: $640 Pentagon toilets seats; ketchup as a vegetable; union busting; firing striking air traffic controllers; Iran-Contra; selling arms to terrorist nations; trading arms for hostages; retreating from terrorists in Beirut; lying to Congress; financing an illegal war in Nicaragua; visiting Bitburg cemetery; a cozy relationship with Saddam Hussein; shredding documents; Ed Meese; Fawn Hall; Oliver North; James Watt; apartheid apologia; the savings and loan scandal; voodoo economics; record budget deficits; double digit unemployment; farm bankruptcies; trade deficits; astrologers in the White House; Star Wars; and influence peddling.

I hope you find these facts useful in accurately depicting President Reagan's time in office.

With every good wish,
Sincerely yours,

John D. Dingell
Member of Congress