Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Bushies Keen on Dean as W.'s Ideal Foe

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
giantrobot_2000 Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:40 AM
Original message
Bushies Keen on Dean as W.'s Ideal Foe
Wake up and SMELL THE COFFEE, kiddies!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/144493p-127803c.html

White House political strategists believe Howard Dean has a hammerlock on the 2004 Democratic nomination - and they're trying hard not to gloat about it.

Senior Bush political managers have been ordered to curb their cockiness but many of them privately say President Bush has drawn the opponent of his dreams in Dean - a left-leaning Democrat they contend can be tarred as a latter-day George McGovern.

"The best thing Bush has going for him is that Dean is a weak Michael Dukakis," a key Bush official told the Daily News. "Dukakis won 10 states. Unless things turn very bad for Bush, I don't see Dean winning more than five."

The source concedes New York and California to Dean, and presumably his home state of Vermont, but does not spell out where else the Democrat could win...

A second prominent campaign adviser echoed: "We are extraordinarily happy today."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
giantrobot_2000 Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:43 AM
Response to Original message
1. Check this out
Face the facts, Deansters:

"As early as last August, Bush political aides were silently cheering on Dean's candidacy from the sidelines.

'We can't say this publicly,' one aide said then, 'but we love that Dean's coming on. Never in a million years did we think there was a chance we'd get Dean.'"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
malakai Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:46 AM
Response to Reply #1
6. Hmmmm....
What do you suppose those aides would be saying if Clark was the nominee? Edwards? Kerry? Gephardt?

I think no matter who held the lead, this same sort of thing would be leaking out.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #6
11. "leaking" my foot. This is coordinated propaganda...
...and you are ight- they would spin any candidate like this. In 2000 they were saying "Bring us the trial lawyer" when Gore considered Edwards for VP...

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
malakai Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 01:01 AM
Response to Reply #11
29. Right
I forgot the "quotes". This is a very simple strategy on their part, and an effective one for anyone who doesn't see it working.

If they can demoralize us by making us believe that our actions are what they want, they effectively persuade us into a position that truly does favor them. Possibly the best way for them to stay in power is to ensure infighting among us...we are merely being complicit by giving this any serious attention.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:46 AM
Response to Reply #1
10. What, the fact that some aide made a comment?
That's a TERRIBLE fact to face. But perhaps he should face the fact that Dean has come from being a nobody to a frontrunner in 6 months, a feat unrivalled in American political history. He has set the record for the most money raised in one quarter pre-primary.

I'm cheering right along with them...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #1
14. what do you expect them to say? Oh shit! Here comes Dean?
Please.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:43 AM
Response to Original message
2. Can't wait to wipe that smile off their faces
:-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
giantrobot_2000 Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #2
5. Ha
"Can't wait to wipe that smile off their faces"

You'll be wearing that smile on your face as Dean marches this country into the slaughterhouse.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #5
12. *dark, sinister chord*
:nopity:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LSdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:44 AM
Response to Original message
3. Be careful what you wish for . . .
In 1980, Jimmy Carter wanted to face Ronald Reagan.

In 1992, George Bush wanted to face Bill Clinton.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:46 AM
Response to Reply #3
7. Yup.
Hell I was sorta cheering for BUSH to win the primaries in 2000 because I thought John McCain could be Gore, but a dumbass from Texas? Never!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:44 AM
Response to Original message
4. Dupe.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #4
16. This place is crawling with freepers.
.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #4
17. Yep, but they have to distract DUers somehow
Post as many threads as possible and two or three times if they have to. Just keep them distracted is the gameplan.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:53 AM
Response to Reply #17
23. Were you referring to my post or the one before that?
?

Because I maintain that this place is crawling with freepers.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:46 AM
Response to Original message
8. They are on the defensive, no matter what DEM...
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 12:50 AM by Dr Fate
...that is why Bush/media attacks ALL the viable candidates, not just Dean.

While I think Clark would make a stronger candidate than Dean- I'm not buying the media perception that a fight against Dean would be a "cake walk" for Bush.

If Dean wins the nom, he is going to give Bush hell- and if Clark is his VP- WATCHOUT!!!

This is just Bush/media trying to sow uncertainty and confusion-

The media REPORTED this story- that means that ROVE WANTS you to read it and believe it.

Think about it- why did Rove let this aleged "Dean cake-walk" perception "leak" to us? Because it's just "confuse the enemy" propaganda, that's why...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #8
15. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:53 AM
Response to Reply #15
20. So I should not support Dean if he wins the Nom?
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 12:54 AM by Dr Fate
Just because the same guy who said Iraq would be a "cake walk" thinks Dean is a pushover??

I'll pass on letting Rove propaganda freak me out..

Rove "leaked" this info- he WANTS you to read it and believe it.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:56 AM
Response to Reply #15
25. I am the originator of: 10...9...8...7...6...
It's fun, and it's only a matter of time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:56 AM
Response to Reply #15
26. NY Daily News
And I'm sure Hillary and Bill had nothing to do with it. ;)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dreissig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #15
27. "Liberal Paper"
If you're calling the Daily News a liberal paper, it's you who needs to wake up. Who publishes it? It's that Mort Zuckerman, a regular on the McLaughlin Group. And a fire-breathing conservative.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:46 AM
Response to Original message
9. DOOOOOOOOOOM!
We're all doomed! The end is near. Doooooooooomed I say!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:48 AM
Response to Original message
13. Dupe. Are you aware that someone already posted this right-wing
source in LBN today?

Check it out.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:51 AM
Response to Original message
18. Bush/media also said Iraq would be a "cake walk"
We need to stop giving these hacks so much credit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:52 AM
Response to Original message
19. I guess this is the first time I agree with *bush.....
I have had my eye on Dean too. Dean is just the candidate to send him BACK TO CRAWFORD, TX. and evict him from the White House.

In fact, Dean is the only democratic candidate who can now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
POed_Ex_Repub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:53 AM
Response to Original message
21. They're trying to perpetuate the "Unelectable" image...
To discourage people from voting for him. They do the same sort of thing with every candidate. It's a political strategy, nothing more.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:53 AM
Response to Original message
22. DLC plant
The perpetual losers need to get the hell out of the way so we can win this thing. The Repukes don't even know what they're doing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
robsul82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:54 AM
Response to Original message
24. Someone already said it, but it bears repeating.
King George the Elected was DROOLING to face the hick rube from a place called Hope.

Later.

RJS
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:59 AM
Response to Original message
28. This article contradicts yours...
I guess Bush/media cant make up their minds!!!

GOP Advisers Who Had Relished Democrat's Candidacy Are Now More Wary

Advisers to President Bush once relished a race against Howard Dean, but they say they have become increasingly wary of him, worried that his unconventional and intense appeal poses a threat they had once underestimated.

Various officials from throughout Bush's political organization said they view the former Vermont governor's nomination as all but inevitable -- even though no votes will be cast until next month, and some well-connected Democrats still hope to derail Dean because they fear he is running too far to the left to be viable in next fall's general election.

The endorsement of Dean by former vice president Al Gore on Monday cemented the growing concern among GOP officials that Dean's lightning progress from also-ran to front-runner means that he could spawn unpredictable hazards for Bush. Although one administration official said Dean is still widely viewed in the White House as "a gift from God," a more cautious view is gaining currency.

"He has the biggest potential to go down in flames, but he also has a certain wild-card potential," said former Minnesota Republican representative Vin Weber.

Among the factors that most worry them, Bush officials said, is Dean's ability to attract young voters and others who have not voted before. Some of the officials said they also are given pause by Dean's similarities to their boss: a polarizing figure who has a temper and deep appeal to his core supporters.

more…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54392-2003Dec10.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 01:04 AM
Response to Original message
30. Locked thread
Discussion topic locked by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules. Click here to review the General Discussion Forum rules.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dreissig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 01:04 AM
Response to Original message
31. Unlike Gore and Dukakis, Dean ...
Attention, panic-stricken Democrats. Howard Dean is not a lackluster candidate like Michael Dukakis or Al Gore. This will not be a repeat of previous elections.

Dean is exciting. Dukakis wasn't. Gore wasn't. Dean will get Democrats out to vote. Dukakis didn't. Gore didn't. And now for the punch line: Dean will win. Dukakis didn't. Gore didn't.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 10:17 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC