L.A. Tmes boycott for "anti-Israel" stance...

http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=5276

Why is it that Israel complains to the UN and the US when Arabs want to boycott Israel, yet it's ok for Israeli supporters to call for boycotts whenever they want? This is especially unnerving because it is a newspaper. I mean, anyone should be free to boycott whatever they want but when the shoe is on the other foot, they should shut up. I've had enough of hypocrisy.

People can and should boycott corporate entities with which they disagree.

Countries boycotting countries seems somehow wrong, doncha think?

And I have no problem with sanctions used appropriately.

Cuba? Iraq? Countries routinely boycott other countries.

Different set of rules for everyone else.

And I think it will always be thus (or at least until Israel is destroyed).

But I fear you're right.

I use the term 'press' loosely and 'wingnut' with added emphasis.

in the last few years.

It's definitely happening, and I'm surprised more people aren't thoroughly pissed off by these activities.

Israel does what it does out of necessity. It pains me when people believe that in order to be an activist liberal, you have to side with the Europeans in condeming Israel.

The fact is, there is too much Anti-Jewish and Anti-Israeli sentiment here.

If you were fighting a war against an enemy that plays by ZERO rules and lives right next door to you, I think you would feel markedly different than you do about Israel's tactics. They go out of there way to attempt to prevent civilian casualties which is much more than their enemies would do.

perhaps Little Israel should erect a fence around the LA Times so its sickening propaganda does not infect others.

there are alot of the more free-thinking, well informed leftists who, like me, despise the "zionism is racism" crowd, but they just aren't vocal enough

No. Liberals, yes. I take exception to the idea of "leftists" defending apartheid.

Paint anyone who is liberal like christ as a "leftist" so they can all be rounded up as terrorists.

a relative detached observer, that Israel is increasingly wanting to expand it's territory and is increasingly abusing others on thatland in order to do so.

Why is Israel expanding it's territory by force? I read that Israel is losing it's purely Jewish citizens, for one thing. When one looses it's pure culture , as the Jewish culture has been, and begins to assimilate others into it's culture, an upheaveal is predictable because of the mix.

I read that Sharon wants to restore Israel to it's "biblical" boundaries for another thing. That in and of itself is an incredible goal,-- to claim a god , thousands of years ago, gave to his "chosen people" a certain amount of land in the ME, as if this god were an independant real estate agent making deals and granting land out to those who followed him. That, to me, is an incredible bit of logic and religious belief that has no verifiable credibility at all.

I think that eventually , Israel will be defeated in some way again. I do not wish for it, because I abhor the loss of human life in order to pursue such stupidity. I would have it that Israel would exist peacefully with it's neighbors without displaying it's superior military, provided by the US.

But I do think that in some future time, Israel will again be defeated in spite of all of it's accumulation of weapons if it continues on it's current course.

It is still surrounded by Arabs who are becoming really pissed off at the US,which as everyone knows is bound at the hip with Israel. In this case, since Israel is often the arrogant aggressor, and since it would be deemed a "war", I think that it would probably be the best thing for the stabilisation of the middle east for Israel to sink into the sea or be defeated and ousted. End of conflict, death and destruction of innocent people.

and they've been mighty un-neighborly ever since

And now, you folks are so stringent in your ideas and goals that you have to be un-American and squash dissent and everybody who disagrees with you is anti-Semitic...

yeah, I've heard it allllll before

or finance the murders? What percentage of Israeli jews are taught from birth that Arabs are by there very arabness evil and demonic?

I don't label everyone who is part of the "pro-palestinian" hard-left anti-semetic, but alot of them are a little to sympathetic to the anti-semetic islamofascists who are Israels biggest enemies

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You'd be banned for a week.

A suicide bomber would be killing only him/herself, while it is more accurate to indicate that these are people who intend to kill themselves and as many others as possible.

These bombings are homicides no doubt!!!!

what about the Liberty? You going to demand accountability?

Israel creates its own problems and the US lets them do it with impunity.

terrorism is never justified, and you just did it. Doesn't surprise me your a hostile Deanie

if terrorism is never justified, why are is US history REPLETE with terrorism?

As much as you may not like the notion, desperate people do desperate things. Do you think Israel is simply some innocent bystander?

Terrorism is never justified -- whether it's done by Palestiniansor by the IDF.

Of course, seeking to understand why people commit acts of terrorism isn't the same thing as justifying those acts.

The Zionist state has tanks and jets, and have used these tools to murder thousands in every decade since its birth. (I had to think about that claim, but I cannot think of any decade since Israel came into existance where they have not killed thousands)

from maniacle islamists.

Post-zionism is the only legitimate and just school of thought as far as I'm concerned.

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Oh heavens no. Arabs just woke up one day and decided they were going to strap dynamite to their chests after lunch. for ha-has.

Thanks

and one of the main reasons they continue to fail to become a prosperous people, is that they, like 90 percent of the rest of middle east, have corrupted and/or ineffective leaders who scapegoat the israelis/jews and blame them for all problems

the terrorists are either justified or they aren't, it's like being a little bit pregnant. And Israel either should have a common defense from terrorism or they shouldn't.

The fact that the Israeli government has made plenty mistakes is a seperate issue

seize their lands, rob their dignity.

and it doesn't seize there land, unless you subscribe to the anti-zionist BS that the jews have no right to there homeland

You'd be surprised.

Currently, parties that are part of the Sharon coalition (as well as some in Sharon's own party) openly advocate ethnic cleansing. These groups hold rallies where they chant, "Expel the Arab enemy!"

And even by the admission of the U.S. State Department, racism is rampant in Israel.

Of course, not every Israeli Jew hates Arabs. But the same is true of Palestinians, especially among the more educated.

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There have always been Jews there; now there are more of them.

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A few points:

1) I, personally (and I believe almost all liberals, because of the whole liberals-are-more-open-minded-and-seek-information thing) don't choose positions because they're "liberal"; my positions define me as a liberal;

2) "The fact is, there is too much Anti-Jewish and Anti-Israeli sentiment here." I assume you mean DU, and sorry, but I think that's a completely unfounded and indefensible statement. You're suggesting that anti-Semitism flourishes here, and that's just plain insulting;

3) Neither side is without blame. Both contribute to the problem.

Again, welcome to DU.

Israel does what it does out of necessity.

Expelling 700,000 Arabs wasn't necessary. Neither were Deir Yassin and the other massacres that occurred during the War of Independence, the Law of Return, the military administration under which Palestinians lived for 18 years, the expropriation of Palestinian land, segregation, the Jewish National Fund, the Sinai campaign, the Six Day War, the invasion of Lebanon, or Sabra and Shatila. And neither are torture, terror, collective punishment, and occupation.

It pains me when people believe that in order to be an activist liberal, you have to side with the Europeans in condeming Israel.

Liberals have always been just as pro-Zionist as conservatives.

The fact is, there is too much Anti-Jewish and Anti-Israeli sentiment here.

I've never seen any DUer post anything even vaguely "anti-Jewish".

Anti-Semitism and criticism of Israel are not the same thing. To conflate the two is itself anti-Semitic.

On the other hand, I've seen many displays of anti-Arab and anti-Muslim bigotry, mostly from conservative Zionist posters.

If you were fighting a war against an enemy that plays by ZERO rules and lives right next door to you, I think you would feel markedly different than you do about Israel's tactics.

Plays by zero rules? No Arab country has ever invaded Israel. Israel has violated more UNSC resolutions than any Arab country.

They go out of there way to attempt to prevent civilian casualties which is much more than their enemies would do.

This opinion is not shared by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, B'Tselem, Physicians for Human Rights, or any other mainstream, credible human rights group; or the United Nations. I trust them just a bit more than the IDF.

During the first Intifada, for every one Israeli that was killed, the Israelis killed 10 Palestinians. During this Intifada, Israel has killed 3 Palestinians for each Israeli killed, 80 percent of them noncombatants. 40 Palestinians have required hospitalization for every Israeli wounded.

Of course people aren't pissed off. They don't know about it. Right-wing Zionist groups have scared the media away from critical coverage of Israeli policy.

Another well-funded propaganda machine.

You will never, ever, ever, make "chronwatch" happy unless you sound like some parody of Fox News. Their ideas on "objectivity" would be hillarious if it wasn't so lethal. Read the things they gripe about:

Angry that the times reported a story that no one else did about Israeli involvement in American Iraqi Intelligence. Does that even make sense?

Angry that there was a story about Israeli attrocity that didn't include some ritual condemnation of Palestinians. (When there is a mention of Israeli attrocity in context of a Palestinian attrocity there is a completely different standard and shows "anti-Israeli bias")

These same bunch of idiots have been yowling away for years at the LA Times and the paper isn't in any danger of folding any time soon.

i find it revolting how much anti semitism is on the left

Israels policy is slightly fascist

I can't blame them for it

could you please expand on that?

I am pro Israel

I find many of Israels actions offensive lately, but I cannot blame or criticize them right now, the fact of the terror bombings makes it hard for me to condemn Israel right now

every single islamic arab country is a million times closer to being fascist than israel is

It's a democracy with an established religion, just like England

I am pro Israel

I cannot blame Israel for it's actions when they face suicide bombers

I also find their administration laws harsh, but i cannot ciriticize them when their peopel are being slaughtered

I am sorry it came out wrong

you have alot more sense than probably half the posters on this thread

1. There is very little anti-Semitism on the left. You're conflating criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism -- an act which is itself anti-Semitic. (And it's no more logical than accusing critics of U.S. policy of being "anti-American".) I am a leftist. I read leftist publications on a regular basis. Most of my friends are leftists. And I've never seen or heard a leftist say or do anything anti-Semitic.

The only thing that comes close is Moran's remark about Jews and the Iraq war of a few months ago. That statement really *was* anti-Semitic.

2. Israel is in no way fascist. I am a tireless critic of Israel's oppressive policies, but Israel is still worlds away from fascism. The comparison between Israel and Nazi Germany is hyperbole.

3. You can blame them for it -- indeed, you should -- because they, like all people, should be held accountable for their actions.

i can't marry my Israeli girlfriend and have it recognized when we go to Israel because I am not Jewish...that ,too me, is slightly fascist

there is a ton of anti semitism in the world, and alot of it is on the Left...a TON of it is on the right as well, and i was unfair in my two sentence post (always happens when you take the short cut)

I am sorry to upset you with my post, Israel does much to be criticized about, but I cannot criticize them for actions in response to terror

maybe they get what they give...ever think of that?

it's a two sided issue, and constant condemnation of Israel without equal condemnation of terror is repulsive

I know most disagree, I don't care, I won't debate further on this issue

Look, I want to slam Palestinians for using terror to effect political change, but they're KILLING themselves...the problem is getting worse...a war criminal is the leader of the Israeli government...I simply cannot fault the Palestinians when their only other choice is simply to surrender.

i think that is fair assessment

it is a bad situation, but I see peopel criticizing "Israel", when they should be criticizing Sharon

it's kinda like the Repuke party here in the US, see what I mean? there are people dying today and few are really addressing a solution to the problem

Having pro-Israel groups going around threatening the (maginally) free press in the US does NOT elevate them in my standing.

I was shocked when I found that out. I do not know if it still is.

Maybe that has something to do with it.

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Did anyone even read the ChronWatch piece (which would be immediately locked in FA/IP because it is a bullshit outfit)?

Try it. It's hilarious.

I'd hate to imitate though.