Report from "Christian" Youth concert. Hint: Toby Keith was there.

My son just got back from a Christian youth concert at the Gorge here in Washington State and I got a good report. TOBY KEITH WAS THERE WAVING THE AMERICAN FLAG AROUND THE STAGE AND LEADING PATRIOTIC CHEERING!!!!

AND...

THEY SANG A SONG ABOUT HEAVEN AND ONE OF THE LINES WAS "THERE ARE NO STREET SIGNS--NO MARTIN LUTHER KING DRIVE" (my son did not see any blacks at the concert)

My son realizes that there was brainwashing going on also understands that there was heavy "drug" use--testosterone, adrenaline, etc.

With all of my heart, I believe that it is a crying shame that the left is not willing to invest significant time and energy in nurturing our young people and leaves them open to mind-control by the BFEE. Young people need wholesome, interesting, decent things to do or the BFEE Pied Piper will lead them into the mountain and we will find to our eternal sorrow that we have lost the most precious thing we had--our children.

Toby KKKeith is the best symbol of the old, white, "christian", south!!!

Seriously deranged, Toby Keith is. What a perversion of Biblical philosophy.

A FAR cry from U2's "Where the Streets Have No Name," a TRUE Christian song.

No Martin Luther King, Jr. Drive. :argh:

Guess what, TK? Martin Luther King, Jr. is up there in heaven and you just lost points BIG TIME with that one.

F*CK YOU TOBY KKKEITH AND YOUR F*CKING HATRIOTISM!!!

Is a white southern man which means that he is not a real Christian. Just Think, Zell Miller defended this Scumbag after Peter Jennings wouldn't let him perform at the ABC July Fourth Concert. If Zell Miller defends him then what else is there to say?

Jimmy Carter's not a Christian? Al Gore? Will Campbell?

Yes, a lot of White Southern men are Xtians, not Christians. But there are a whole lot who are true Christians.

Try not to stereotype all of them.

I should clarify this statement. Toby KKKeith is an OLD, SOUTHERN, WHITE, "XTIAN", CONSERVATIVE. People like this are frightning!

And yes, they are frightening.

What is more frightening is that they are influencing our kids, like barbaraann's.

He figured out he was brainwashed after a "mission" trip a few years ago and sees very clearly what they are up to. We talk to him all the time about things like that. He went because of friendship and to get out of yardwork. What can I say? I myself might choose to go to a Christian concert if I could get out of some housework! :)

About the children of most DUers, yourself included.

:-)

We need an antidote.

From yesterday, I don't know who came up with it, but it's fantastic.

It needs it's own catch phrase:

Enough Hatriotism, Try Real Patriotism
Vote Democratic 2004

He's from Oklahoma.

A very conservative state!

any of these places that you so blithely paint with that trusty broad brush of yours?

Oklahoma is extremely conservative now but was once a hotbed of populism. Give some thought to why that is so and you might come up with some insight into why liberal ideas are so unpopular among rural and blue-collar Americans. (Hint: part of it has to do with years of being denounced as rubes and hicks by so-called progressives.)

the fact that the Right is aping the alternative youth culture of the 90s to lure these kids in a Christian fundamentalism and radical right beliefs is awful.

The Left must work harder to capture the interest of kids and offer real alternatives to right wing propoganda.

The only ones who recruited the teenagers harder than the military were the churches. All of it with the approval of the schools. Posters in the hallways, time out of class for approved "student" initiated and run groups. Huge social club things going on, scuba trips, prom stuff, everything reinforced with lots of reinforcers like sweets, pizza, clothing, and the constant buzz, buzz, buzz "Jesus this" "Jesus that". We are talking, literally and in every other way, DRUGS here. Oh not schedule one substances, but the more dangerous internal sets of stimuli and response that people can get hooked on (adrenalin, endorphins, acetylcholine, seratonin etc. etc. etc.) whatever a person "needs" to get through the day. Talk about dependence! Those kids couldn't "s - - t" without someone to make them feel good about themselves.

Classic cult recruiting tactics.

Is an entire generation gonna be "moonie-ized?"

And the way things are changing, at least some of them are going to have some DIFFERENT kinds of experiences, and if the alternatives are kept alive by those of us who have committed our lives to the values that alternatives represent, some of those so-called "Christian" addicts will find adaptations that are better more valid for them than the "Buddy Jesus" stuff that churches SELL!

The rightwingers have destroyed a lot of non-religious activites offered by governments (for example, swimming pools here have closed because of budget problems) and left young people with far fewer choices so they are more likely to turn to the church or the military.

You seem to know a lot about body chemicals and their effects--it really is an important thing that I wish more public figures would talk about.

I find them incredibly stupid, and I think that's the reason I became such an agnostic.

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they are stupid and that's what is so frighting!!! Young people are so taken by this thinly veiled HATE! The "stupidity" and hate is so obvious.

Most of my friends are smarter than that. They're Christians, but they don't believe in the whole "Christian Superiority" shit.

The one who wanted me to come with her was, um, well, allow me to explain: I asked her once "if Bush was a Buddhist, would your family like him so much?" Apparently not because "Buddhists are evil."

That pissed me off, cuz though I had never met a Buddhist, I knew that I was probably the only non-Protestant she knew. (I was catholic)So I never accepted most of her shit/

My sis & her hubby (he's into that cult where "Christian Men" come together to talk about how they've let their wives & church down by "letting" their wives "work(?)" -- can't remember the name of it right now), both fundies, have 3 sons...all raised fundies.

#1 son left home asap and became a moderate liberal.
#2 son went to seminary to become a minister, got VERY depressed, and then turned an open mind to the question "why couldn't God heal me of my depression??", and became a non-believer
#3 son -- the most tied to the apron strings, and least likely to stray from the biblical line -- is now agnostic and/or skeptic, for the most part.

When many of these brainwashed kids get into the real world, and get their own lives, they just look back and see the brainwashing for what it is.

All three boys are very compassionate, good people. They are still "spiritual" in many ways. They just don't buy the organized fundy-religious way of living the moral life.

There's hope for some, even if for many the damage will remain. It's not over 'til they play Taps.

:kick:

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Whew. What a bunch of wierdos!

Thanks for the help!

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I understand their premise and the admirable idea of promising to take care of your family.

But they take it to an extreme, freakish, cult-like level.

:freak:

Just before I left my last job, the CEO hired a "Promise Keeper" to be his special advisor.........that was about the most bizarre month of my life....some, strange, strange views....

And I do believe that Christianity can teach people about compassion and spirituality if the fundamentalist message can be overcome.

As much as i would love to believe that huge butt monkey keith did that, he cant be in two places at once. He is on a tour which had him in Toronto Canda till saturday morning. The Gorge concert yesterday had Deena Carter, Kenny Chesney and Keith Urban, who im sure loved every minute of his vitrolic rant against MLK. Just let me put a word of caution if we are going to get into the gutter with the Repukes we have to be 100% right. Not 98% or 99%. Something like that (saying toby keith instead of Keith Urban) could be emailed and forwarded and picked up by the NEOCONS on the radio that would spend all day talking about what losers all of are for not getting the facts strait. I want to win sure, I want bush out sure, but i want to do it the right way. WHat did Grover Cleveland say when they cabled him while he was running for president and word was about to come out that he had fathered and illigitimate child? He wrote back simply "For God's sake, tell the truth" We have to do just that

Please Clarify: It was Keith Urban who made the anti MLK statement? I wonder why if that is so.

I should doublecheck a report from a teenager!!!

I just went to the Gorge website and the lineup s/he posted was correct.

It was Keith Urban, not Toby Keith.

SO: F*CK YOU KEITH URBAN AND YOUR F*CKING HATRIOTISM.

Have to get it correct, you are right. Welcome to DU. :hi:

Keith is just a blowhard no-talent dirtbag.
Am I the only one who thinks his name sounds like it belongs to a chorus boy?

I mean ... which of these young folk really give a drizzly shit for the lame-oh hell-damn-fart fucks like Toby Keith?

And they actually pay to see the guys that are a bit more liberal in their politics.

puts a boot up Toby Keith's moran ass.

It gives them insight into what it feels like to be useful to the less fortunate or disenfranchised, or see what lives are like that have been marginalized for one reason or another.