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imhotep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 03:56 PM
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Did Bob Graham elaborate his case today?
I did not watch MTP today.
Did Bob Graham tell America the information the White House is hiding?>

The White House says the info is classified.
Surely Bob Graham disagrees that this information warrants being classified and is NO threat to national security... right?

So, What is stopping Bob Graham from releasing it?
Is he a coward?
or is he playing politics?

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 03:58 PM
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1. He Can't Unilaterally
release classified information.
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imhotep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 04:01 PM
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2. Daniel Ellsberg did
and helped to end the Vietnam war.

If Bob Graham BELIEVES this information should be classified, then he has no business criticizing the White House.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 04:03 PM
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3. He Was Given Redacted
information on the grounds he wouldn't reveal it.

It would be abrogating an agreement he voluntarily entered into and would get him bounced out of the Senate.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 05:44 PM
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18. Easy for you to say.
:eyes:
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 04:08 PM
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5. Bob on MTP
I only saw the last 20 minutes of the show (because I generally refuse to watch ****), but when I scrolled the channels I saw Nancy and stopped. There were 2 dems and 2 pugs. Graham and Shelby both said that the info should be released. Nancy took Goss to task for everything he said. Asked about the speech he made on impeachment, Graham repeated that he thought the pugs had set the standard against Clinton and so same should apply to Bush. He did strongly imply who the foreign country was; he said just think what we have been saying here today. Bob Graham is no coward; he has been on the front line. In fact I think he decided to run because he saw the abuse from Shrub in the Senate investigations
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 08:37 PM
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25. Correct, if not wanting to go to a Federal Penitentiary is being a coward
Then we're all cowards.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 04:05 PM
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4. It's classified information...
If he releases it, he could be up on charges of all kinds, including treason and espionage... With the Patriot Act and the BFEE in charge, that could also mean being named an enemy noncombatant and being placed in a military brig, incommunicado.

Tell me, if those were the stakes for you, would you release the information?
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imhotep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 04:08 PM
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6. in other words
Edited on Sun Jul-27-03 04:09 PM by imhotep
Bob Graham is a coward AND is playing politics.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 04:10 PM
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7. No
He's just not a lunatic
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lkinsale Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 04:12 PM
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8. As Graham puts it...
"I don't want to run a presidential campaign from the federal penitentiary."

Perhaps that's cowardly, heh. Interesting concept.
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imhotep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 04:19 PM
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9. maybe I am the lunatic
Edited on Sun Jul-27-03 04:21 PM by imhotep
for thinking a United States Senator should do his job.

If the info is a threat to security, he should not complain.
If the info is not a threat, then tell America the truth.

I guess Bob Graham thinks Bob Graham is more important than the United States. Nothing happened to Ellsberg, and he wasn't even a Senator.

added on edit:
"I don't want to run a presidential campaign from the federal penitentiary."

Interesting that he even admits POLITICS is more important than the truth.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 04:23 PM
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10. I Didn't Say You Are A Lunatic
I said Bob Graham would be a lunatic for throwing away a career it took him thirty years to build to release classified information.

It would be an utterly senseless act.....
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imhotep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 04:34 PM
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13. I am starting to understand
Since Bob Graham's career is more important than the contents of the 9/11 report, it is logical to assume the information is not as substantial as he portrays it.
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 05:12 PM
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15. if he spoke
if graham spilled the beans -- really told the truth -- no way he gets in trouble. it would make * look so bad, silencing this guy who has the goods and was in a place to know the goods.

if graham speaks -- and does it right -- he'd come out a hero.



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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 05:50 PM
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Bob Graham's been stirring the pot lately
And I've been cheering him on. He's doing an excellent job criticizing the Chimpy administration. It's easy to see why the supporters of some candidates with lesser national security credentials would fear the Graham campaign. As a true Democrat, I appreciate what he is doing.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 06:54 PM
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22. Bingo!
boy, you sure nailed it!
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GBD4 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 08:36 PM
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24. No!
It doesn't matter what Bob Graham and Richard Shelby think can be declassified. If the United States Federal Government says "classified info" it is absolutely illegal and a federal crime perhaps as far as treason to declassify this stuff! Nancy Pelosi knows what's going on, too. Maybe you should complain about our House Leader.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 04:33 PM
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12. You're too funny for words....
Yeah, I'll go to a federal pen for life just for say "Saudi Arabia". Especially when the entire population of the United States already knows that thats who we're talking about.

Have to be pretty stupid to destroy an exceptional career by "revealing" something everyone already knows.
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imhotep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 04:35 PM
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14. I apologize
I thought the information the White House is hiding was important.
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MattNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 05:24 PM
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16. replay
i believe the replay is coming on at 7 on CNBC. i could be mistaken though.
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kainah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 05:50 PM
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19. Meet the Press replay on CNBC
at 10PM ET.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 05:24 PM
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17. I think that it is important... it means we bombed the "wrong" country
I think the White House classified for two reasons. First, to protect Saudi Arabia, and second, in the hope that people would think the country in question was Iraq.

Bob Graham and (especially) Nancy Pelosi did a great job on MTP this morning.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 05:54 PM
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20. You have recourse if you don't like the classification
You can go to the courts and try to get the information released. Trying to ruin Graham's campaign is not necessary to get the information released.
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lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 05:55 PM
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21. I have my reservations about Bob Graham BUT...
At the same time I will say that he is a BRILLIANT man.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 07:31 PM
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23. congressional oath
The Congressional Oath of Office
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."

i would suggest that it would not take to much imagination to see how this might fit the case and provide a rationale, if not an affirmative obligation, to expose politically motivated foreign policy that could be considered to be damaging to the u.s. it is a least a balancing factor against the white house "claims" of "national security".
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