Freepers question my patriotism!

Again.

It's Sunday, and by long tradition, I took the kids (all 3) to McDonalds for lunch. It gives my wife a break, and the kids love the jungle gym monstrosity.

So, we're leaving and I'm packing the kids in the car when Joe Freeper pulls up (coming too close to my 10 year old daughter) in his Jeep wannabe, sneers at me and says "Where's your flag? Aren't you a patriot?"

So I look at the remnants of a flag flying from his radio antenna, and tell him "I have too much respect for my countries flag to destroy one on my car."

And of course, he takes offense. But by now, the kiddies are in the car and I'm feeling froggie.

So I tell him "Come here, let me show you my patriotism".

I point at the small sticker on the lower left corner of my windshield.

"That's my base sticker" I tell him, "I have to have it to report to the warship I'm stationed on. I spent 7 months of my life this past year wasting my time looking for weapons that don't exist. I've spent 19 years in service of my country, and I don't need you or anyone else questioning my patriotism."

He started to apologize, but I cut him off.

"You want to be a patriot? Get yourself informed. Turn off Rush, turn off Faux news, and find out for yourself what's going on in the world. And once you learn the truth, you can help me vote Bush out of office."

And I drove off.

(I shouldn't do things like that, I'm not built for fighting hand to hand, but I HATE people who question my patriotism, especially about a cheap flag on the radio antenna...this isn't the first time this has happened)

you're good.

MzPip
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Im trying to figure out why you are being singled out to be berated by the freepers.

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Or should I say, what's left of it since it's been partially scrapped off.

I don't put politics on my car, you don't want to be parking in the enlisted lots on base with anything that isn't Pro-Republican on your bumper.

On my little black pickup....It goes over like a lead balloon out here on the South Dakota/Wyoming border.

Nicely said by the way....I shall have to commit your response to memory. I didn't serve nearly as long as you but my sentiments are the same.

RC

Hawk, with every post I love ya more. :loveya:

Julie

Somebody took a screwdriver to it, so it's missing a foot and part of the tail.

It doesn't show up to well either, silver fish on a silver car.

You anti-American scum.

What? You're an athiests. Get some kindling, we got us a heretic to burn.

I am, however, a heretic, so you can burn me next to Tommy Jefferson, using the Constitution for kindling...

Hang a copy of the first page of US Constitution on your radio antenna or maybe the Bill of Rights. It's pretty nasty that freepers wave the flag and, at the same time, wipe their asses with the US Constitution.

Excellent! Rarely have I heard an anecdote with a perspective I agree with more!

You are an amazing fellow. But then again so are most on this site.

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Kudos for risking a headache and vomiting by dealing with that nincompoop.

It also strikes me that if you have 19 years in the military, you're close to what used to be the promise of free medical care for life after 20 years, except that Bush reneged on it in favor of co-pays. If you can help me understand the issue, I'd appreciate it.

The Repukes have been trying to take away retired health care 'to save money' since the 1980's. They finally suceeded in shifting it to a privately owned HMO system that will be able to line thier pockets at our expense while providing less care than before (and cost the government more money, and cost the retirees money, and generally screwing everybody but the HMO and the Repukes).

Which is suprising considering my Dean, DU, "War is not the answer" and "Keep abortion legal" bumperstickers.

on edit: Great job!

The second most right wing county in California, right after Orange County...

There are SOME intelligent people here in SD. Orange is Puke land California.

They voted out 'B-1' Bob Dornan, didn't they?

Gosh, I wish I'd said what you did. And of course, the freeper has never heard that:

"The Hawker Hurricane destroyed more enemy aircraft during the World War II Battle of Britain than all other aircraft combined.".

From a google search.

The HH was underpowered, has a hell of a slow acceleration, can't turn worth scheiss, and on a one-on-one with a ME109, put your money on the 109. Which makes it's record in the BoB even more remarkable.

Having said that..........

WELL DONE HAWKERHURRICANE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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You'd like it, although you wouldn't like their forums. www.wwiionline.com

Being near thier home bases (bf-109's had to fly back over the English Channel to get back to thier bases, and had to watch thier fuel), support by radar and ground controlers, very good signal intellegence (enigma), meant that even though the Hurri was a inferior plane, it was more often than not in a supiorior position.

That, and most of the Hurri's targets were slow and clumsy bombers (He-111, Do-17, Ju-87 and 88), not fighters like the bf-109 and Me-110.

So far the best flight sim (for modeling the Hurrie's FM) is IL2 Forgotten Battles.

Your spot on re:the best target types. I fly a Hurrie on IL2. If you run into an escorted group of bombers, it's one (maybe two passes) and you're out'ta there. Unescorted Heinkels are meat on the table, and 88's the dessert! ;evilgrin:

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sgr2:

The www.online thingy doesn't work for me. Why pay the cost when you can use the built-in multiplay included with a lot of the newer flight sims or use something like Kali with the older ones (EAW for example)?

it has alot more to offer than a pure flight sim. I played IL2 and now play alot of FB (I'll wait for the patch before going online) but WWIIOL still has the extra kick of squad play using combined arms. I was in one of the best German squads and flew the Ju-87. when there's 40-60 people in the squad divided up between infantry, tanks, and air the game is immense.

Had to quit because of financial reasons though.

must buy a better joystick...

You said "I shouldn't do things like that" and YES, YOU SHOULD!!!
And you are GOOD at it, too!
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shouldn't be provoking fights in front of my kids, it sets a bad example and all that.

Just standing up for the truth. The bozo did the provoking. You gave the kids another reason to be proud of Dad...(and a psychic boost to a whole bunch of DUers!)

The redneck did the provocating...and you shut his ass down without lifting a finger.

RC

under the circumstances was probably a good thing. He wasn't going to hurt the kids if he got the better of you in a fight. The right to dissent is what patriotism in this country is about. Good for you.

you were a helluva good example. Bravo. You fought with words and your mind, and we all have those fights.

You won a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent!

All five of us kids loved it.
John
He was a Korean War vet and a moderate Republican. Not too many of either left these days.

I would have just told him to fuck off :shrug:

and thanks for serving us all. and not just in the military (which is BIG) but by being informed.

And thanks for you service.

Your starting to sound like me :evilgrin:

Humiliation is too good for the likes of that prick. But it's a start.

and a devotion to duty above and beyond the call of duty, Hawker Hurricane is hereby awarded the Distinguished Democratic Underground Patriotic Truth-Teller Cross, with oak leaves, swords, diamonds, clubs, hearts, spades, thingamabobs, and doohickeys. His courage and steadfastness reflect great credit upon himself, his family, his unit and the United States of America. Awarded this day, the 27th of July, Two Thousand Three, by Sergeant Aristus, of the Democratic Underground, The State of Washington, and the United States of America."

And for the support of this award, with a firm reliance upon the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes,and our sacred honor.

Hawk, you ROCK, my friend!

and go enlist or send their kids to enlist.

in other circumstances.
I used to have some cards from the Navy recruiters office from down the block I would hand out.
I wonder if he would mind if I got some more to 'hand out' for him?

I cannot BELIEVE that this guy laid into you simply for the ABSENCE of a flag! These mindless moronic "Patriot Police" are too stupid for words. I can't imagine what this idjit would have said had you had some anti-war or anti-Bush sticker on your car (assuming you didn't).

Good for you for giving this guy the reply he deserves!

because I didn't hang X-Mas lights. OBTW, I'm Jewish!

Non-sequitor!

Wow, I would've paid real money to see the look on his face!

Great job.

you were great, and you can say these things with the authority of someone who is walking the walk.

I'm so glad you told him to turn off Rush and Fux news, too. I bet he'll think twice and think about what you said the next time he does, and who knows, you might just have made a difference.

I was listening to c-span for a while either yesterday morning or today when I heard more than one veteran trashing Bush as a deserter and Cheney for his six deferments...one was livid that Cheney was at the Korean War memorial.

That man had lost his brother in Korea.

I cannot believe that this administration has the support of people other than the ditto heads and the rapture wing of the repukes.

I've heard WWII vets talk about how much Bush reminds them of Hitler, even. It's amazing, really, that they get away with as much as they do.

I wish the vets would start a campaign to ask the media to tell the truth. I think that would have real impact on anyone left with a conscience.

29 Feb 04.
When I'm officially a veteran (vice a serviceman).

I got into a big ol fight just the other day, on my BDAY no less, because one of my neighbors questioned MY patriotism as well. Unfortunately, while pointing out similiar problems with Rush, Faux and the like, it got way too heated and out of hand. I wound up telling her if she didnt like my politics to get the hell off my deck. My SO thought I was gonna punch her...never in a million years. When ya know you're right, why fight?

You are an inspiration, way to go!

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to make your point and then leave him thinking.

Which I hope he does, vice some mental gymnastics to justify his existing belief.

You are a remarkable man

I bet that guy Never Ever does what he did to you again to anyone! Whew!

That guy had to feel pretty darn small as he should.

Thank You!

if it came up and slapped them upside the head. What they are doing has absolutely nothing to do with patriotism. You did good! I'm applauding like crazy, and would like to express my sincere appreciation for serving our country in more than one way!

Never was, never will be.

It is hilarious the the right, former champions of individualism and mistrust of government relentlessly laud and even worship the state and call into question anyone who is less than fervent in their fealty to the state and its leader.. So it goes.

Tell him this. America was never about being a great and powerful nation having great and powerful leaders. America and the democratic ideal were and are in direct oppositon to these ideas. Above all it was never about abject loyalty to the state.

Way to go!

I have expected people in the South to say, "Hey bud! Where's ya flag?" But they haven't.

Good come backs HH. I wonder if that guy thought at all about what you said or just dismissed you.

Congrats on winning that one.

#1. Thanks for serving our country as a member of the United States Navy. Seven month cruise into a combat zone is not for the faint of heart. That's why so many of the biggest "patriots" watch from shore, behind the lines, or from their Secret Underground Redoubt.

#2. Thanks for stating the truth to the patriot poser. The heck with him and all slime mold who "wrap themselves in the flag and burn the Constitution."

#3. Thanks for caring about your kids. People who drive fast or too close to little ones have no clue. Those who do have kids and care about others ALWAYS take time to watch out for them. And gee. That brings us back to #1 and #2.

you did a great job of putting that stupid freeper in his place.
Bravo!

.....in my book you have the right to say ANYTHING ANY TIME YOU WANT. You have EARNED that right the hard way. Don't you apologize or feel bad at all!! I AM DAM PROUD OF YOU!!!! In my book you are a TRUE PATRIOT!!!

to attach this little skull and crossbones pirate flag to my antenna. Good job, Hawker!

When Joe McCarthy the original chickenhawk questioned General Marshall's patriotism you could really see of course I didnt see that but you can see the ignorance of people.

WOOHOO, buddy. That was CLASSIC.
*applause*

When do you get a radio show??????

I just got my first e-published editorial, now a radio show?

Have your people call my people...

You definitely SHOULD do things like that.

Good for you.

You guys down in San Diego get ALL the fun. ;)

I'm in San Francisco so I could drive around with the Darwin fish, an "Impeach Bush" sticker, a rainbow flag, and a "Bite me Issa!" sign and I'd never get so much as a sideways glance. It's just too damn easy up here.

Nicely done, Hawker, you showed us all how it should be handled.

Maybe someday I'll get the chance to use your example.

:)

Glad to hear you're doing something as wonderfully mundane as going to McDonalds -- helluva lot better than reading reports from an unknown location sea location.

In the mid 1980's, the worlds busiest McDonalds were on Navy bases, within walking distance of the piers.
They got beat out by the one in Moscow, but just barely.

You make me proud to be an American!

You're not alone in your thoughts. I see some boatsailors posting their frustration that they were deployed launching tomahawks into Iraq to blow up infractructure to get to the WMDs before they're launched against us, only to find out later the Bushco war is a fraud.

you rock man!

just because said person didn't jingoistically display the flag all over their car. I mean, I can, I just don't want to. I'm glad it was you, though--you have so much ammunition to rightfully tear that asswipe a new one. Good job, Hawker! :kick:

& stop feeling guilty about it!:D

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And you may have actually made a dent in his armor of idiocy. You've got a little more credibility than most of us homo-hippie-peacenik-commie-libs!

I think I would have been so flabberghasted at the audacity of that question, coming out of the blue, that I would have stammered or something. YOU came through in the pinch.

Way to go.

Which amazes me, since the only thing on my car indicating anything liberal is a broken Darwin fish.
Maybe I just look liberal.
Or maybe it's my hat. (I wear a broad brim hat to keep the sun off my face, to avoid the family curse of skin cancer)

When my time comes, I plan to just flash my blue ID card and give them my best maniacal look.

keep up the good work!

Nice job!

It didn't break, it EVOLVED. Part of mine broke off as well, but it's near my Jesus fish and the two seem to get along fine.

BTW, what happened tot hat snot-nosed freeper that you told off at your house a few weeks ago. The one that tried the 'love it or leave it" line on you. Hope your daughter isn't still hanging out with him!

I almost hope he's gone to see his Army recruiter...
except I wouldn't wish someone like that even on the army...

I acculy got froggy with a moron who was calling me a bunch of names in a mall parking lot beacuse i had a PROUD DEMOCRAT bumper sticker on my car....He was BIG but i didnt back down..i calmy asked him if he loves america why does it bother him that im expressing my free speech in a non offencive manner..He then went on that we ae commies and suddam lovers yadda yadda and tryed to get in my face..Where i still calmy said that we are not commies and asked him to name ONE democrat that expressed his love for suddam..Then i said maby you should stop listening to Rush and watching Fox news beacuse they are not telling him the truth..He took a step forward and i did not back down..he then backed down and jumped in his car cussing at me squeeling wheels across the parking lot..I then noted that this guy would be wearing a brownshirt bullying the jews and non nazi supporters if this was nazi germany in the 30's

YOU ARE TOO COOL! :D

...but to some degree, he was right. Even if you pledge to be in the army till you retire and take no money except for a meager retirement fund, that doesn't make you patriotic. To be a true patriot, you must stop thinking and let the leader of the country do your thinking for you. To be a true patriot, you must be ready to burn your children alive if the president - be it Bush, Clinton, Dean, Buchanan, or McReynolds - or his chain of command orders you to do so. To be a true patriot, you must be willing to say, to believe, to think that 2+2=5 if that's national ideology. To be a true patriot, you must abandon yourself, your individuality, completely - and become no more than a robot, a slave, a cannon fodder to the country. That's what true patriotism is: submission and robotic obedience.

Truth is unpatriotic. Reason is unpatriotic. Individuality is unpatriotic.

And yes, I'm aware that by this definition, only the president himself is a patriot. Still, some people are closer to meeting this hopeless standard, whereras others are smart enough to get away from it as much as reasonably possible.

I love my country, and I want it to be the best on earth, which means I'm willing to question my leaders and work to make this a better country.

What you are describing is more of a mindless chauvenistic nationalism.

Of course, we are argueing semantics.

I like it when things like this happen.

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I'm damn sure glad you did. We have to wake up the minds of the American people, even if it's one at a time. And thank you for your service.

Damn you for not letting me be there to see the look on his face.


P.S. Was there something on your vehicle that might have prompted him to ask you where you flag was, like an anti-junta bumper sticker?

That's one of the best responces I've heard.

I spent my three years (could do more if needed), but bring back the draft with the stipulation the order of selection starts with teenagers with parents with the largest amount of wealth be the ones required to serve first. Plus make sure there are very few exceptions accepted. I would like to see how many wars got started after that law was in place.

General Smedly Butler, USMC, most decorated Marine in history, who turned in the fascists who tried to make him fuhrer.
Which is why most people have never heard of him.

http://www.fas.org/man/smedley.htm

Smedley Butler on Interventionism
-- Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC.

War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism
(snip)

thank you

God Bless You!!! We need more people like you going after these right wing extremist nutcakes!!!

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"I shouldn't do things like that" - Who would be better?

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Your instincts are excellent -- you were able to get your point across without escalating the incident.

And I agree with your above post -- nothing wrong with patriotism, and loving your country.

But *nationalism* -- that's an ugly horse of a very different color. With blind nationalism, "Where's your flag" quickly morphs into "Where are your identity papers?"

Well done! :toast:

Great comeback - plus you left him with something to think about, if he's capable.

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An even 100 posts now.

Effing hell, HH, you just tore that poor FReeper apart piece-by-piece without breaking a sweat! There are SEALs who have a harder time with hand-to-hand than you!

Martin

But against a poor freeper in a battle of wits?
I slaughtered a unarmed man!

You are the man!

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Well done! Well done! Bravo! You put it better than anyone else could!

Bake