Deep Doubt Over (the Brothers Hussein) Photos

stickdog

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Sun Jul-27-03 06:28 PM
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Deep Doubt Over (the Brothers Hussein) Photos

From: http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1393121,00.html

Deep doubt over photos

Baghdad - Iraqis reacted with a mixture of scepticism, suspicion and some relief on Friday to the release of pictures of the bloodied corpses of Saddam Hussein's sons Uday and Qusay, with many still in disbelief that the dreaded brothers were really killed.

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"Anybody can fake something like that. I don't believe it, because the Americans acted so unbelievably," Bassum Shimmary, 41, told AFP of the photographs which were distributed on computer disc by the coalition in Baghdad on Thursday and shown on Iraqi television that evening.

In Mosul, a few dozen Iraqis gathered around the shell of the house in which the brothers died. Several said they did not believe Uday and Qusay had been inside. "We decided the people in the house were not Uday and Qusay," said Shabib Hassom, 30. "There is no clear evidence. We think they were just some innocent people there."

"We are not convinced. Nobody in Iraq believes it," added one man at a Baghdad street market, where men had gathered round to discuss the fate of two of the most hated Iraqis.

From: http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1393299,00.html

Baghdad - The US military let the press photograph the bullet-riddled corpses of Saddam Hussein's sons, another effort to convince skeptical Iraqis the two are indeed dead. The US military escorted about 15 reporters, photographers and cameramen to a makeshift air-conditioned morgue at Baghdad's international airport where they had unimpeded access to view the two bodies.

A pale, wax-like putty covered part of the two brothers' mutilated faces, according to an AFP photographer who viewed the bodies which lay naked on metal stretchers except for blue cloths over their midsections.

"The two bodies have undergone facial reconstruction with mortician's putty to make them resemble as closely as possible the faces of the brothers when they were alive," a US military official told the journalists viewing the corpses in the presence of three forensic pathologists.

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Uday's lower left leg bones, along with the metallic rod and pins which had been attached to them after a 1996 assassination attempt left him with severe injuries, had been removed and placed in a plastic bag.

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Cha

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Sun Jul-27-03 06:37 PM
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1. Then we have the other faction who believes that the

betrayers of the brothers should be killed themselves!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=88898&mesg_id=88898&page=

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Iraqis vent anger at informer
July 28 2003

"Angry residents of this northern city today warned Nawaf al-Zaidan, the tribal chief who owned the mansion where Uday and Qusay Saddam Hussein died in a blistering gunbattle, that revenge is coming to him."

"He's a traitor to his country and religion," said a shopkeeper across from Zaidan's gutted home, destroyed in the long but one-sided battle between Saddam Hussein's sons and US forces last Tuesday." snip>

All in all it's a big ol' can of Worms for the "bring 'em on" gang.

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stickdog

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Sun Jul-27-03 07:00 PM
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2. Separated At Death

What a difference a fashionable headdress can make, huh?

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http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/front/6378859.htm

The Americans say they have confirmed it, but the Iraqi people don't believe it," said Hassan Khoja, 30, who lives down the block from the house where the brothers were killed. "Odai and Qusai never stayed in one place at the same time in their entire lives. They were too smart for that.

"If the Americans have actually killed them, then why don't they show the tape of the first hours after the attack?"

Another neighbor echoed the belief that the brothers were too crafty to stay in one place too long and get killed.

"We don't believe they were killed," said Abas Muslim Ali, 45. "They would have never been so foolish as to have stayed there for 23 days."

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From: http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/world/story/0,4386,201972,00.html

Hard sell

Iraqis unconvinced of deaths

BAGHDAD - Some Iraqis remain sceptical even though they have been shown proof that two of the 'untouchables' of the former Iraqi regime are dead. mOne of them, Mr Mahmoud, used to make furniture for the Husseins, the BBC reported. 'I'm sure Qusay is in one of the pictures,' he said. 'But Uday, I'm not sure.'

The Americans said Uday and Qusay Hussein were killed when troops attacked a villa in the northern city of Mosul last Tuesday. But, like Mr Mahmoud, many are finding it hard to accept the news.

But some are asking why the brothers had to be killed. Baghdad's intellectuals say that is the most distasteful part. If the raid had been in Europe or America, they doubt it would have been so dramatic. How could 200 troops not take the brothers alive?

Back in the cafe, Mr Mahmoud said if it was true, in many ways he wished the two men were not dead. 'I would have preferred the army to arrest them, not kill them. To make sure they are Uday and Qusay. Then we could put them on trial.'

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http://www.abc.net.au/correspondents/content/2003/s910820.htm

Sa'ad orders another cup of tea and explains he doesn't trust anything the Americans have to say.

Like many Iraqis he's bitter at what he says are the empty words of American officials who've promised to restore security and basic services such as water and electricity.

"My life hasn�t improved even though the Americans say they came to help us," says Sa'ad, who's weathered face looks much older than his 26 years of age.

"It doesn't matter whether Uday or Qusay are dead or alive. We're still suffering today," he blurts out angrily, his frustration clear to all.

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http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=29422&d=27&m=7&y=2003

Last week, US forces surrounded and killed the sons of president Saddam Hussein. I have never been a supporter of Saddam Hussein or his regime. Nor do I wish them well today. However, the way that Uday and Qusay were killed needs to be examined carefully so as to derive useful lessons.

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It took a 50:1 ratio (I am ignoring the helicopters, etc.) of crack (at least that’s what the Americans call them) troops five hours to kill the three men and a boy who were hiding not in a heavily fortified bunker but in a simple villa. What a disgrace!

In addition, they were not even trying to capture them alive. If they had been, maybe it would have taken them a week. Had these been Saudi troops I would have urged that they be court-martialed for sheer colossal incompetence and cowardice.

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Abe Linkman

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Sun Jul-27-03 07:19 PM
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3. Here's a good analysis, by Joe Vialls

http://geocities.com/vialls/index.html

Two things he doesn't cover, which I feel are important, are:

1.) Quesay's neck is much thicker and shorter than in the "dead" photo.

2.) Quesay's teeth appear to be in bad condition. Doesn't seem right for a rich man who is/was in the limelight fairly often.

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