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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 11:44 PM
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Is Kucinich behind the Dean ad????
Edited on Sat Dec-13-03 11:58 PM by John_H
First, and most damningly, he hasn't renounced it. That's huge. Second, that guy from Ohio is from Ohio. Kucinich is also from Ohio. Hmmmmmmm. Plus, you gotta believe Kucinich is thinking, "All those voters who think Dean's a progressive are my f'in' voters, baby! That Dean is actually NRA friendly, tax cutting, healthcare cost raising, corporate money groveler. I'm the real progressive!" And talk about something to gain: Kucinich could expand his support by a factor of fifteen if he shoves dean out of the race.

On edit: Of course I'm joking. The fact of the matter is that the argument that X hasn't renounced it or Y used to work for Z, are just flat out wacky.

I agree with reply #2. Who cares who did it?
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 11:45 PM
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1. Umm, as a Dean supporter, let me say this:
Dennis Kucinich would be the LAST person I would suspect of being behind that miserable ad. He's behind--he's not a slimeball, like whoever IS behind the ad.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 11:47 PM
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2. Who cares
If Dean as a viable Presidential candidate didn't have the major liability of having no foreign policy, national security or military experience, then this wouldn't even have come up.

It's a wake-up call that Dean is not the man. Get over it.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 11:51 PM
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7. We'll see about that.
That's what primaries are for. If whoever you support can't beat Dean, how in hell will he/she beat *? :hi:
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 11:48 PM
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3. Sorry, Kucinich doesn't have the heart or need to use
this kind of underhanded tactic to get his supporters :D :hi: He just speaks the truth, follows his heart, and doesn't quit!


NEXT...
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Patriot_Spear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 11:50 PM
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4. Hardly seems his style...
I think it's one of those 'DC insiders'. Whoever claims to be on 'our' side and did this, is a real asshole.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 11:50 PM
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5. Why would Kucinich question Dean on Afghanstan
Kucinich has been critical of our conduct there.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 11:51 PM
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6. I do not believe Kucinich had anything to do with the ad
and If I honestly believed he had any chance at the nomination, that would mean something.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:00 AM
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11. But You Already Said All The Candidates MUST Denounce It
Several times in several threads....

I guess your litmus test isn't consistent.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:01 AM
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13. Sure it is
Kucinich stands a worse chance at geting the nomination than a snowball does in hell. He will never get the nomination.

Plus, I suspect Kucinich will denounce the ad.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 11:55 PM
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8. Nope, no way would I believe Kucinich
had anything to do w/it.

Dennis has ethics and scruples.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 11:57 PM
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9. It has to be Nader
:evilgrin:

Maybe.....yeah I got it Daly
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 11:58 PM
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10. Now that you mention it...
Edited on Sat Dec-13-03 11:58 PM by incapsulated
He is just the type of underhanded, wolf-in-sheeps-clothing, powerplayer capable of pulling this off!

Damn that sneak, Kucinich!

:evilgrin:
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:00 AM
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12. LOL!
:P
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:02 AM
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14. LoL ... !!!!!
:+
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reknewcomer Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:04 AM
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15. Has Mike Moore denied responsibility yet?
Quick! Call Flint and see if he did it.
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ldoolin Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:05 AM
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16. No, it's not Kucinich.
Exhibit A: The guy behind the ad was the Cleveland Dem machine's hand-picked candidate for mayor of Cleveland, but lost the 1977 mayoral primary - to none other than Dennis Kucinich, the outsider.

Exhibit B: Why would Kucinich be attacking Dean's foreign policy from a hawkish perspective? The ad is obviously not the work of Kucinich.

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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:08 AM
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17. I think you are behind it
I haven't heard you denounce that ad. It's just the type of sneaky thing you would do. You're trying to blame Kucinich to throw us all off.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:13 AM
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18. NO, no, it's Kleeb behind it
he's Slovekian, well part anyway.
and he's been out of school lately, supposedly too ill to do nothing other than mix up some video in the basement in his demented desire to dunk dean.

got a doctor's note, Kleeb?

dp


okay, in some seriouness, someone point me out to this ad that has everyone's tie in a twist, b/c i haven't seen it, and only get to laugh at my own ignorance and everyone else's speculation.
and :thumbsup: to John H for his latest contribution to the mix, i don't know whether to laugh or lie down.

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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:17 AM
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19. Kucinich and Ed Feighan (the Sludge-meister) are political foes...
...who actually ran against one another.

He wouldn't hire Feighan to do his bidding!

(...or would he?)
:crazy:
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:17 AM
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20.  Dennis and Carol Mosely Braun are the only two I wouldn't suspect
of being involved in this Attwater-like enterprise. Frankly, I can imagine any or all of the remaining candidates chipping in to finance this ad. What have they to lose, except the nomination, which they are as likely to lose anyway.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:28 AM
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21. Ed Feighan Clinton Campaign's Media man
EVEN if one were to force the imagination to believe that Kucinich would stoop this low, Kucinich people would never say that

... Dean, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, doesn't have the military or foreign policy experience needed to take on "those who wake up every morning determined to destroy Western civilization."

Those words are quite... hawkish and DLC-ish.

Neo-cons
vs
Centrists
vs
Progressives
vs
Corporations
vs
sincere, confused people, who don't have a clue about what's really going on

====
Welcome to the Soros paid ads. Expect many more. This is my theory.

Who is endoring this ad? Edward F. Feighan

Edward F. Feighan was Bill Clinton's campaign Communications Director who got pretty close to Hillary at the Institute for Policy Studies
http://www.ips-dc.org/index.htm

It was Edward F. Feighan who introduced the Brady Bill in the House in 1987 as the NRA campaigned heavily against the gun control issue. http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/Aborn1.html

George Stephanopoulos was his Administrative Assistant and later his Chief of Staff.
http://63.147.65.175/books/chap0411b.htm

Served on the Clinton Administration: Committee on Health, Education, Labor & Pensions
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/dward/classes/congpres/sim00.html
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