Its been real. Goodbye...

I have really enjoyed my stay here.

But everyone seems to live in a fantasy world on this board.

The people on this board are a perfect representation of why we are getting our asses kicked in election after election.

People are too dedicated to their candidates and fail to see the big picture the way republicans do.

Do you guys think that there aren't Bush supporters who dont want a more far right candidate? DOes that make them throw away their vote on some jerkoff like Nader? Nope.

Kucinich has a great platform if you live in a fantasy world where Bush isnt destroying everything around us. Every day on this board I read the outrage at Bush's policies and now when we have a chance to unify behind the frontrunner everyone is whining about how nobody respects their candidate.

Well you know what...tought shit. Your candidate had a chance to raise the money and capture the imagination of AMERICA, not just the town you live in. And America has spoken with their hard earned money. When people give Dean their money, they are speaking with a unity that will toss Bush out on his ass.

Every other vanity canidate (Sharpton, Braun, Kucinich, etc.) should bow out and throw support to the frontrunner who was just endorsed by out last elected president.

Grow up, wake up, join the REAL WORLD people. Kucinich can talk all he wants about pulling out of Iraq, and universal healthcare but it is jut TALK.

A dem in the white house makes this an actual possibility, not just a self gratifying fantasy.

P.S. The door didn't hit my ass on the way out, thanks for asking.

and wondering if I should join you.

I know some of the ABD talk can get you down but leaving because people support a good candidate pre-primary? That's whack homes.

Some Democrats are pulling a Saxby Chambliss on Dean as Max Cleland and some people here have the fucking NERVE to defend it.

Fuck that noise.

cry me a river baby!!!

right, and we need to start realizing that and getting our heads out of fantasy land before it's too late.

I realize that the internet is not the real world. There is a disconnect between those who have access to the internet and those who do not.

If he wants to find the real world, fine. As for me, I am sticking here at DU, a place where people have become accustomed to sometimes honestly disagree with other candidates.

The primary is supposed to be a debate about ideas and (hopefully) a merging of the party into one. We don't run a coronation ceremony here.

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two or three percent in most of the country, and that's among the people who've actually heard of him, so it's time to get real because we're really running out of time here.

...and I think all this squabbling amongst ourselves, particularly the nasty attacks against one another's candidates is totally unjustified. That's not how we should play this game. If the infamous Osama ad came from within our own ranks, for example, then they should be covered in shame for stooping to such bizarre and dishonest tactics. We shouldn't be trying to destroy one another.

We should remember the real enemy is * and focus on him.

All this backbiting about each other's candidates is very counter-productive.

a screen name just to do this.

Or not.

I wouldn't give stuff like this too much weight.

I thought it was because we were supporting our candidate? He didn't talk about the back-biting only the Kucinich fantasy world supporters.

I guess the positiveness we exude and the unbreakable support we have for Kucinich is unbearable? :shrug:

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but again I don't think the backbiting is why he was leaving not since Kucinich fantasy supporters was his main complaint.

made you leave??! Now THAT must be a first. Buh Bye

frustration. People need to start pulling their heads out of the sand really quick, or we're really going to be in trouble.

I think one of the major problems, and I'm quite guilty of this as well, is that many of us spend a lot of time on DU so that we begin to think that everyone thinks the way we do and that everyone understands how the right controls everything, including the media, and how the media whores and the press manipulate everything and how there's so much happening that the mainstream media never focuses on or talks about. But most people don't, and we need to understand that before it's too late.

what the fuck do we do? I'll be voting for Dean as much as I love Dennis and continue signing online petitions. Others than that, what else?
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Once "someone" gets the nomination. I would try to stick it out at least until then.

It seems to me that the primary is the perfect time to vote for the candidate you REALLY like. The only way that can backfire is if the majority of a party is too far left of the general electorate. In that case, the party can't win anyway.

This is a different issue than voting for Nader in the general election. I say go ahead and vote for Dennis is you like him. In all likelihood, he won't win, he'll endorse Dean (or whoever wins) and you can vote for that candidate in the general election.

Now is the perfect time to vote for who you like.

The repugs had a primary before 2000 that got pretty ugly as well. I advocate complete party unity behind our nominee once he/she is selected, I also DO NOT agree with dirty campaigning. But support for Dennis now will have no effect on how the nominee ends up against shrubbie. There will be enough time for unity after the primaries.

Unite behind your candidate? Let me guess... is it, um, Dean?

Got news for ya, pal, nobody's voted yet. It's a little early to unite behind anybody.

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Sorry if I am an inconvenience! :D

Funny, I always thought the rest of the country had its head in the sand.

never heard that one.

Being from PA, I have absolutely no say who will be our nominee. I understand that and I deal with it, by not getting crazy over what A said about B and what is C doing...

Within the next few months our nominee will be named and that's when we get behind them. At this stage wasn't * claiming that McCain was for breast cancer. Theres no reason to get all crazy here. Your candidate may be the best person for the job, but unless you live in Iowa, NH, or S. Carolina... what say do you really have in the process? Come back in a few months when we get a nominee, then get your knickers in a knot...

"Your candidate had a chance to raise the money and capture the imagination of AMERICA, not just the town you live in. And America has spoken with their hard earned money. When people give Dean their money, they are speaking with a unity that will toss Bush out on his ass.

Every other vanity canidate (Sharpton, Braun, Kucinich, etc.) should bow out and throw support to the frontrunner who was just endorsed by out last elected president."

Ummm... Since when did it become mandatory to support a candidate of another's choosing or run the risk of being accused of living somewhere other than the real world ?


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Now, you can argue that Kucinich doesn't have a chance in the general election if you like.

But these are the primaries, and he isn't leading the polls anywhere, not even DU.

What you seem to want is to destroy any opposition to your candidate in the primaries by having long-shot candidates give up people to support Dean.

Sorry, this is a democratic process. And if someone wants to vote for the candidate with little chance of winning, that is their perogative. There is good reason to do so, as well. Candidates with strong support come into the convention with a say in the platform, they have influence. This is the way you have a say in the process, even if your guy doesn't win. What is wrong with that? Now, you may disagree with how they want to influence the platform, but it is still their right, and often the only influence those with "minority" positions in the party get during an election year.

Grow up, wake up, join the REAL WORLD people. Kucinich can talk all he wants about pulling out of Iraq, and universal healthcare but it is jut TALK.

Yes it is and what your saying is also just talk. No Democrat will do anything productive ever again. This country is done for and so is the now conviction-less right-wing Democratic party.

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