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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:06 AM
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This is easily the most infuriating Novak has been.
He accuses Dean of having "loose lips." I'm too angry to talk right now.

http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=rno
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:12 AM
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1. Novak disgusts me...he is allowed to say outrageous things without
being challenged on his comments...His media contemporaries seem to treat him as an amusing old cermudgeon (I have no idea how to spell it) and they let him state his opinions as if they were fact!
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:13 AM
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2. Dam Government PC's...
What does the article say...?

I can't access it from work...if it's not a long article can you copy and paste the entire thing in a private message to me...?
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:19 AM
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3. imax
I'm sorry but I'm tired now. I always like to manage the threads I start but I'm starting to see double. Here's a paragraph from the article. Be sure to read the full article when you get home.

Unlike George McGovern in 1972, Dean's core problem is not ideological. It is loose lips: fabricating the story of a patient impregnated by her father, seeking support from pickup truck drivers with Confederate flags, and seemingly exulting in his draft deferment for a bad back. Nothing so worries old-style Democratic politicians, however, as proclaiming the apocryphal warning from Saudi Arabia
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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:23 AM
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6. I sent you a PM copy. N/T
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:37 AM
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10. Thanks...can't wait to read it...
Just from seeing "Nofacts" on crossfire I can tell that he is full of hot air...and I would be afraid to sit across from him with all the flying spit coming from his mouth...

anyway...thanks...I'll be looking forward to it...
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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:21 AM
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4. Robert + Michael Novak?
Your post follows my MICHAEL Novak post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=902420

Are they by chance related? And isn't Robert Novak the pig who blew Valerie Plame's cover?

I used to watch Crossfire years ago (I haven't had my TV on in years), and I recall one episode where someone called the liberal spokesman a child molester, or something like that. The guy was so angry, he demanded an apology, then walked off the set for a bit. I can't remember for sure, but I think Robert Novak was the slimeball who libeled him.

It really made an impression on me.

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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:24 AM
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7. He is that pig.
I don't know if they are related. They sure sound alike. I have no T.V. either.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:21 AM
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5. sometimes you gotta laugh at the absurdity
It's the only way you'll make it through with your hair. See Bob.
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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:24 AM
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8. Robert Novak + Michael Novak + Michael Kelly
Michael Kelly was another disgusting right-wing media whore. Ironically, he was the first embedded reporter to bite the big one in Iraq. I was so horrified, I forgot to cry.
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Kremer Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:33 AM
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9. He' so ridiculous and warped. I really think lots off people write
him off as some sort of cranky professor. This article is just full of disinformation. He and Fox so distorted this Saudi conspiracy thing. I saw the interview and all Dean said was that it was some sort of theory he heard/read on the internet, that's it. No-facts Novak doesn't mention that Chris Wallace asked him flat out: "do you believe this theory?" (that bush was foreworned by the Saudis) Dean "No. I don't believe it at all." I think he also mentioned that it couldn't be proved. But No-back says he's spreading the theory. Whatever.
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Blade Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:40 AM
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11. Novak
should be in Gitmo for treason after releasing that FBI woman's name.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:52 AM
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12. Novak not only has Loose lips. He has Loose eyebrows.
At least according to DU legend.

:evilgrin:
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 05:50 AM
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19. And loose teeth
He enarly spit them out on a crossfire college tour one night.
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BadFaith Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:53 AM
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13. Well...
This coming from Novak is by no means infuriating. We are, after all, dealing with the man who was the instrument of an intentional outing of a NOC operative of the CIA. For Novak to accuse Dean of having "loose lips" is somewhat hypocritical. Whereas Dean's single comment can, in the minds of some, lend credence to conspiracy theories (technically it doesn't), Novak's July 14th column may have very well placed in jeapordy the life of a covert operative, as well as the lives of any civilian assets that may have worked in her operations.

Not to worry. The Neo-Conservative Brown Shirts have all but removed Novak as an establishment go-to guy. Remember, he was the seventh person they called with the information on Plame, whereas he and his late parter Rowland Evans were incredibly tight with the Reagan administration. Reagan's Budget Director, David Stockman, went so far as to call Novak and Evans his "bulletin board".
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:03 AM
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14. Pot calling kettle black?
He's laughable! Let it roll off your back! Not worth the energy to get angry over someone like that!
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:06 AM
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15. Never trust a man with 2 Chicklets in his front teeth
I read recently that No-Class got new dentures, and someone said he looked like Bugs Bunny. Or maybe it was Mr. Wilson after Dennis lost his dentures down the sink.

I haven't seen him in a while, so I wouldn't know.

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tlb Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:48 AM
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16. Ducking the question.
Mr Confederate Flag Dean a victim of his own loose lips ? Nah, that can't be, so why even recognize the issue. Just whoop about Novak for a while instead.

Myself, I don't care if it is Novak. he seems on target.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 05:07 AM
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17. Imagine that.
A couple of months ago Novak was singing Dean's praises. Now it turns out that Dean is Dean. Shocking. Next, Tucker Carlson will suddenly discover the error of his ways in wearing a Dean button, and then -- dare I say it -- Chris Matthews will jump on the bandwagon, as he always does.

Fool me once (McGovern), shame on you. Fool me twice (Mondale), OK, I screwed up. Fool me three times (Dukakis)? Nobody's perfect. Fool me 4 times? I must be a latte sipping middle class liberal looking for someone to channel my anger.


Hey, look on the bright side. First came the commercials, now the whore media are reverting to form, and soon, there might be an election to get crushed in. That means you'll have lots of stuff to seethe and rage over for the next four years. The 2000 non-election, the Iraqi invasion, now this -- helpless anger gets to be a habit for some people.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 05:50 AM
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18. I sent this to Capitol Gang
Suggestion for "Outrage of the Week"
Bob Novak wrote "Dean's core problem is not ideological. It is loose lips"

For Bob "let me sacrifice National Defense for Politcal Reasons" Novak to comment on Dean having "loose lips" is like the Captain of the Titanic complaining about a leaky faucet.

Come on Bob -- Don;t you think you, or whomever leaked "Valerie Plames" name qualify as having looser lips than Dean -- considering you and the unnamed committed treason, and all?

Oh, and by the way, are you ever going to expose the other criminal, or does your career as a "journalist" take precident over your country?
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