Dean and today's Iraq news: does this change things for you?

There are lots of threads this morning arguing how today's news impacts various candidatis. I'd like to gauge the impact of today's news on the support for the candidate most identified with opposition to invasion of Iraq.

Which of the following statement most accurately describes your feelings:

Today's news in Iraq makes me

THe war as still unjustified, and Dean has a lot more to his platform than just oppostition to the war. Did I miss a memo?

deserving of capture and punishment.

I agree with you that event today, alone, doesn't change anything.

However, it sends the debate down the direction towards framing this in terms of SH's crimes. This past week, NPR ran that Dean quote where he says something like, "I never said SH was a danger to America." Now we're going to frame Iraq in terms of what SH did, and it may make people feel happy SH is in custody.

but it doesn't sound like AP knows it.

With or without SH, the war was not justified. I think this will be shown to be true and Dean has been consistent on that message.

have denounced the war. Now that SH has been captured are we to assume they are going to change their minds (again) and say they "Did the Right Thing"??

like the ones that voted for the IWR, to say "see, I was right all along, the war was justified and I voted for it".

The poll question is free of judgment. It's just an attempt to quantify something everyone's talking about here today.

Feel free to make your arguments.

Dean has gone on record saying he would dismantle big media....it's no reason that people/media will use any reason to remove an outsider.

I like somebody they "fear".

Dean supporters have a choice. They can deny the importance of this event to the election, which makes them look like fools. Or they can explain why their guy wom't get stomped on national security, a much harder kob but the only one that will make them look like serious people instead of bandwagon jumpers.

But I love that picture of Edwards you have.

But I wonder what it is about it that makes so many people like it.

I think it's obvioulsy really sweet, and everyone loves babies. But there's something else to it and I really can't put my finger on it.

than a man washing dishes or changing diapers . LOL

It's just so personable. Man in his flannel shirt and corduroy pants (I think) changing a diaper. He's really concentrating on it too. Doesn't want to fuck it up ya know. Perhaps not a lot of diaper changes under his belt at the time of the pic. He's got fairly long hair too...cool. I suspect he reminds a lot of DUers of themseleves.

Either way, it's such a great picture.

but on the picture...I think it captures the humanity of Edwards in a way few photographs can. It shows him looking somewhat bewildered, changing diapers for the first time, but clearly lovingly doing so. Also, the fact that he's not doing it on a changing table shows that he's either new to the process, or in a place where one doesn't have the changing table. Kind of reminds me of that first home new parents have moved into, and not all the furnitures in place.

First time fathers out there can identify with that pic.

smart enough, if the infant is a little boy, to cover the child's penis while changing his diaper.

I didn't know that the first time I changed my son's diaper but I learned quickly.

Seeing that picture caused a flashback and a grin.

The baby is cute and Edwards isn't afraid to change a diaper.:hi: :toast:

That is not really offered as a clear choice. Perhaps that's how option 2 should be worded.

a positive, negative, or wash for dean.

Unless I could have a poll which only allows undecideds to vote, it would be hard to get a more precise measure of the influence on voter sentiment. Certainly people who don't like him will always chose the third option. People who like him no matter what will chose the first or, more likely, second. What i want to know, really, is what people other than those two groups think.

America." the GOP can not counter with absolute authority with statement against Dr. Dean--"Now that Saddam Huessin has captured, he will new be a danger to the USA or any other country that has helped us on the war on terror."

Ahem. Where are the WMDs? We invaded a nation with absolutely no credible evidence that it was an imminent threat to the US. We acted as a rogue nation in violation of international law. We set a precedent for other countries to act in the same manner, and we lost what little remaining moral authority and credibility we had with many nations.

But you're telling me that Dean, Kucinich, Braun, Sharpton, and the millions of people worldwide who opposed this invasion and its resulting loss of life were wrong simply because we've caught the boogie man?

Wow, I guess I've gone through the rabbit hole.

Unless you actually believe that he had massive stockpiles of noo-cular weapons lying around which we haven't found yet.

And as far as Dean being weak on National Security, all one needs to do is take a look at his website: He's not some granola-crunchinf peacenik, but he DOES want to approach furure conflicts in a multi-lateral way.

The media can spin this all they want to make it appear that Dean is a one-trick pony, but I know it's not true.

Most of the Americans believe that Saddam had something to do with 9/11. you and I know it's bullshit, but they don't. Many will get the false impression that this is really "Mission Accomplished", and that we can get back to normal. I know that I'm awfully tired of these false "Terra Alerts" and other scare tactics coming out of Bushco Inc. and I have to believe that most mainstream Americans are also tired of it too.

They will push for withdrawls from Iraq, and see that since this war on Terra is pretty much over, that we don't need any more war mongering (or military) candidates, because national security is not that important anymore. It will get back to the economy, stupid again.

Might look a bit pie in the sky...but never underestimate the stupidity of the people fed on infotainment.;-)

I know that logically it SHOULDN'T, but Rove the Spinner will figure out a NASTY way to use this against Dean.