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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:37 AM
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Saddam had guns with him....Why did he allow himself to be taken alive?
Edited on Sun Dec-14-03 11:42 AM by cthrumatrix
This doesn't make sense. A murderous dictator (like a Hitler) usually doesn't give such satisfaction to his captors.

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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:39 AM
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1. because like many bullying tyrants...
when it came to brass tacks, he was a physical coward.

kinda like the chimp.
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:42 AM
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2. Not true....
he fought in the coup. The guy himself was a thug.
I still find this whole thing suspicious. Very convenient when
you ask yourself: "Who benefits..."
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Spoon Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:43 AM
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3. I'd have to say he was never in "complete" control of his
country. Kinda like Saddam playing the role of Saddam. I don't think he's a nutcase, just an apathetic disgusting human being.
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:46 AM
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4. Well, here's my theory
Since my threads were locked..I don't know if it was my original thread or the responses, but I have a theory and I hope it does not offend anyone.

Just stepped out of my deep think. Here is what explains the way Saddam was captured and why there was no resistence.

The US has known where Saddam was for months and had captured him at least a couple of weeks ago...when rumors surfaced that he had been captured but quickly squashed. In capture he was heavily sedated (druged) and kept until such a time that it would serve the administration's purpose...maybe clos to the 2004 election.

Enter the recent scandal about Halliburton overcharging for gasoline, the scuttle about EU not being able to bid for contracts, Halliburton no-bid contracts, etc. These stories were snowballing into a mountain. The latest revelations about the over charging were HUGE and going to get bigger. And Dean was gaining attention with his anti-Bush anti-Iraq-war message. The neocons..lead by Cheney..had to come up with a major event to wipe all of these from the maleable minds of the American people. Only one of two events could do this: capture Osama or capture Saddam. The neocons lose nothing by doing this now instead of closer to the election. Wiping these mounting negative events from the news will virtually ensure another 4 years of the Bush cabal.

Saddam offered no resistence because he was a zombie. The US knew that if he was humiliated instead of myrtered this would give them the leverage they needed to quell the Iraqi risistence. A masterful move.
Just my thinking...but tell me how i am wrong. And tell me the one thing that the neocons have overlooked.

Now you can wait for the move to bring out the "evidence" that Saddam was responsible for 9/11. And who is going to doubt our intelligence now? this is going to be the major thrust of the administrations PR now...proving that we won the war on terror because we have captured the real mastermind behind 9/11.
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:49 PM
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11. This could explain why Saddam looked like a zombie and was so talkitive
"But do truth serums actually work? Sodium pentothal, the most commonly known speech-inducing compound, is a mild sedative that makes people more talkative, but not necessarily more honest. Even more problematic, from a human rights standpoint, is a long history of practice that blurs the moral lines between the use of interrogation drugs and more overt methods of torture."

http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=truth+serum&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26amp%3BrequestId%3D10889437be1d3e26%26amp%3BclickedItemRank%3D6%26amp%3BuserQuery%3Dtruth%2Bserum%26amp%3BclickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.alternet.org%252Fstory.html%253FStoryID%253D13341%26amp%3BinvocationType%3D-%26amp%3BfromPage%3DNSCPIndex&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alternet.org%2Fstory.html%253FStoryID%253D13341
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:48 AM
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5. were the guns in the 'spider hole' with him?
or just nearby, like the taxi?

While he might have kept the guns in case he needed to fight against some small force of Iraqis who hate him, he'd know he never stood a chance against an American squad. Hitler had an ideology, so suicide could be honourable for him; Saddam was interested in power and survival (think of the doubles), so there's no reason to think he'd preferred suicide.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:51 AM
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6. I'd guess that may indicate negotiated capture?
Possibly.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:51 AM
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7. He's no raving fundamentalist. He wants to live
The trial could be quite interesting, BTW. Meetings with Rumfilled, conversatons with King George I (before Kuwait), who sold him the WMD he once had.....

Very interesting indeed.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:56 AM
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8. Actually I think the trial will take place
shortly before the election. That's when the Bush administration will show films of Saddam's horrors.

If the trial is not newsworthy enough, the CIA will finger Osama as well.

It's all about keeping Bush in power.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:04 PM
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9. Chalabi says it's because Saddam is a pussy.
He was expounding on the BBC about how Saddam didn't have the balls to be a martyr, like the "suicide bombers" who died for him...

Why does it not surprise me that somebody has said that already?
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:20 PM
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12. Chalabi should be put in prison with Saddam
He should be interrogated also. He is a decietful pimp.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:05 PM
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10. Maybe because he wants to spill the beans
Edited on Sun Dec-14-03 12:05 PM by molly
about WMD and his "links" to Osoma? This could be a very good thing for us!
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:54 PM
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13. uh, why do you believe he had guns? Did you see them?
No, you're swallowing what the administration is telling you.

And we wonder why "they" keep believing Bush when WE keep believing Bush.

They tell us whatever they want to tell us.

"he had guns but he didn't use them". Make him look like a wimp. Pure propaganda.

And if he was talkative? (who knows if this is true?) Well who knows what kind of gas they sent into that basement before they went in and got him. Hussein could have been high as a kite when they pulled im out.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:03 PM
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18. Army reported he had two guns with him
Given what life is like in Iraq (before and after) that's not too surprising.
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:45 PM
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14. First, Saddam was "talkitive" Now we are being told he refused to answer
questions. Now I wonder why the story has changed?
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:51 PM
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15. if he fights, he dies
First, realize that he is a coward and will do anything including selling out his family to save his ass. I never had any trouble believeing the reports of inner circle defectors describing actions such as crawling under tables when the lights flickered. The signs are obvious with this guy.

Second, if he lives there is still hope, however slim, that he gets his old job back.

Third, he's a broken shell.

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:51 PM
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16. Check LBN thread : Sadaam's wife helped locate him
Edited on Sun Dec-14-03 03:54 PM by Tinoire
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=269271

They got to his wife and favorite son. He telephoned his wife weekly (so the story says).

Knowing that this is the same government/army that held hostage Iraqi children until the fathers caved in and turned themselves in, who knows what they threatened his wife with? The child's safety?

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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:02 PM
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17. Remember, Saddeam is a chickenshit bully
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