Should the Saddam Captured=Bush Wins/Dean Loses Threads be Locked?

I have NEVER seen such baloney on this board and it appears to me like a lot of folks are showing their true colors.

The number of threads saying Dean is now toast is clearly an effort to denigrate and discourage Dean supporters.

IMHO it has gone too far.

It looks like the resistance in Iraq will continue.

Our troops will continue to be sitting ducks.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Baker and Bush I financed and Kept Saddam in power.

It looks like the posts saying Dean is toast is a confederacy of dunces. There have been enough of them for one month. It will be old news soon, this capture.

Does anybody agree that all of these Bush wins/Dean (or others) are toast should be banned for at least a week?

I know SOME of you agree and I would not suggest it if it were not so enfuriating and obviously (to me) a planned assault on Dean AND ALL Democratic candidates

Anything else run through your head?

If folks are already trying (already? For days the media has been attacking Dean regardless because he has a chance to beat Bush) it's waaaaay waaaaaay too early! The primaries first folks, then we elect a new leader- this GOP driven democratic primary is just too much. Don't let the GOP and Matt Drudge run our primaries! Think for yourself and we will be FINE. I know it's a novel concept to many hard working Ameericans, but we must think for ourselves and vote for whom we think is best- not the sure winner, not the guy with more connections, the BEST person- but I am probably dreaming-(pinching self now..ow ow)

Because I know you will be severely let down.

he says WE CAN BEAT BUSH .. I feel bad that you actually don't believe it.

It is up to us. The person you responded to is not part of the solution if you know what I mean.

that's what runs through my head

. . .they had better be able to take it. There is no need to protect anyone. If Dean wins because we cannot go after him then he will have my vote but not have my respect or my passion. If Dean survives the attacks the man has my respect, my vote and my passion.

sorry, but as sick as repugs are they at least know how to win.

. . .I am sure we could provide a running list.

this event will have little impact on the election (although if Saddam were STILL uncaptured Bush would have gotten fewer votes by a bit)

The way that the war goes from here on out is what will be determinative.

But the postures of people on this question is a good gauge of the DU community on Dean AND on negativity.

I don't care WHAT your opinion is on the poll as much as I am interested in WHY and HOW you feel about this issue. The poll is just a barometer on what is happening today and how destructive it feels to many of us. It seems to only help Bush and that is pitiful.

or something .. because it's important.

It's not like we didn't know Saddham is a campaign contributor for Dupinator.
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The ones who never haven't started to believe DEMS can take back our country .. :cry:

and now I have 6 people on it and I have no problem adding more.

Edit: Looks like a few were freepers and are gone now.

like what happened with Skinner's poll way back. I can't vote because it tells me I've voted, but I vote for "Locking." Either that or it's a glitch. Anyone else have a problem?

Hacked here?

Naw. They would not do that would they?

So that the antiDean posts can continue?

I swear that I believe these are military contractors doing this at the direction of their proBush military-corporate masters.

So it would not surprise me.

But it could just be a glitch.

Was skinner's poll REALLY hacked. Like for real hacked? Or just freeped?

Let me know Koko.

I think it may get worse before it gets better.

several months ago. It was hacked by one of our DU'ers (I think it was "Rabid Nerd") but Skinner said they had fixed the problem that allowed him to do it. I still can't vote on your poll so I don't know what the problem is.

But, since some of us are feeling very "Fringe" on DU today because we don't think Saddam's capture will change anything and so therefore are not jumping up and down and popping the champaign corks, it doesn't matter about much. The anti-Dean thread will continue and whatever else until it "sorts" out. Obviously DU is more polarized than some of us thought. And those of us who opposed Iraq Invasion on moral and Constitutional Ground are small in number right now while the crowds cheer.

did SH have his WMDs in his pockets?

True DUers are solid in their support of the Democrats and to efforts to elect anybody but Bush. Many of the well meaning supporters of Clark, Kerry and even Lieberman are decent and NOT supporters of the nasty attacks on Dean or the subliminal attacks on the Democrats through negativism.

Honest people may be dismayed too and think this bodes poorly for us.

But I believe it is more a matter of a well organized effort to make DU APPEAR polarized.

The Freeping of the polls in favor of Clark, for example.

The swarming like flies to shit of certain newbies and even regulars to the pile-ons attacking Dean or, today, saying that this event makes Bush a shoo-in in 2004.

This is all blackops bullshit IMHO run by the proBush elements who have money and resources and the means to swarm this site.

I merely wanted to identify it and , as usual, alert folks to this modus operandi and effort to undermine our own confidence in DU , in Dean, in ANY real democrat, and in our certain victory in 2004.

Those who perpetuate it are on my list of who's not nice

Kerry defends IWR vote.

Kerry does not defend IWR vote.

How can this hurt anyone but those throwing stones ?

I*m rubber You are glue BABY ..

For God's sake. If you start locking threads because people are feeling this COULD be a big problem for the Democrats, and want to vent about that ... for God's sake. It's a free country. If we start locking threads because people are saying negative things about Dean's chances ... we're no better than Free Republic.

Let the discourse continue.

I'm not a mod .. but usually polls asking about thread locking are not allowed .. were you talking to me?

propaganda?

It is hard at first to know who is who on this board. People who have been "good" for months are now folding and saying Bush is "God" now that Saddam is captured.

I think it is up to Skinner and the mods and all of us to identify and eject or , at least, block the organized attack on our candidate(s).

It is one thing for people to support Clark or Dean or Kerry and to be critical of each other.

But it is different for there to be wholesale and mutltiple posts exploiting the events like today to tear down ANY of our candidtes.

A few weeks ago I gopt threads locked for complaing that polls were being "freeped" for Clark. A few says later Skinner used the same language and busted those who were jumping the polls in an organized manner.

I believe in all honesty that Clark is the Pentagon candidate and that those who "freep" this site are military contractors organized to do so.

So I do not know HOW, though, to expose such things without honestly discussing it -- getting the admins to face it and check for patterns of posts by folks who may be freeping in disguise as libs and democrats and supporters of ANY candidate.

Aside: as we speak things appear (on CNN) to be getting worse in Baghdad already. Will ther Saddam loyalists just go ballistic now?

God protect the innocent!

I was banned right after the IWR vote because I dared suggest that NY DUers attend a Demo against her vote and expressed that I no longer supported her. To me that was unfair but if the policy can be implimented in that case I think it is double justified in this situation.

That is pretty obvious. I've actually logged on to DU as a result of reading on another message board some far right poster saying DU posters are running scared and saying the ship is sinking.

Remember the old saying folks: "United we stand, divided we fall." Don't let the trollers stoke a defeatist attitude.

What's the deal? You only like negative posts about John Kerry and positive posts about Howard Dean? Seems the truth should be stated, no matter what the slant. That's American.

Anyone who can't see that clearly has an agenda that trumps truth and logic so who cares what they think.

not the Communist party.....


We don't have "democratic centralism" and we don't have strict party discipline....

Critical thinking is needed now more than ever...

Just like Lieberman did, in using his statement on the capture to attack Dean.

And these bashing posts aren't about Dean's record most of the time. No... instead, they're about bashing him based on this hypothetical notion (driven by the rightwing) about the type of Democrat that can beat GWB. Its not even about the issues anymore, or about the best person for the job. Its simply about beating Bush and I think that type of fear-driven thinking has kept Dems out of power for a while now.

God knows I've seen much better threads locked.

I just use the opportunity to use that new feature we have and to add people to my re-activated ignore list.

Anyone who thinks that simplistically is also not someone whose thoughts I'm interested in.

No reason to chnage a perfectly reasonable forecast.

Dean is just another huckster from down the pike. I love watching so many place all their fragile eggs in his basket.

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