Was anyone really basing 2004 on the continued bumbling of Iraq?

C'mon, folks. It's not "over". I just looked outside, and the sky is still where it was yesterday. We're not now compelled to nominate anyone we weren't compelled to nominate yesterday, and we weren't compelled to nominate anyone in particular yesterday.

As someone else said, the capture of Saddam does nothing to create jobs for those who have no job. We still have a lot of issues to raise, in every aspect of every issue facing us, including Iraq.

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Yeah, no need for the hemlock, methinks.

In the primary season so far. Every single thing that happens (if you haven't been following campaigns and watching the political landscape for twenty or more years) is either going to put somebody over the top or kill 'em all. Many of the posters here -- especially the candidate-oriented ones -- are relative political neophytes. They haven't spent much of their adult lives watching these things go back and forth. This will tend to color the dialogue here at DU, but DU isn't 'real life.'

I'll say that Bu$h having a chokehold on the media does tend to play things in his favor, but no matter how you slather on the spin, the veneer can only be so thick -- there's still lots of grumbling on the ground, and as you say, this isn't going to change many of the things they're grumbling about.

I would advise everybody to take a deep breath and sit back. This may change the dynamics of the Democratic primary campaigns for a while, but the issues -- bad job creation outlook, a manic-depressive economy, our poor relations with other countries in the world and their lack of confidence in Bu$h, their poor attitude toward conserving the environment, the massive debt they're pililng up -- aren't going away.

It's up to our candidates to keep reminding us -- and, more importantly, an otherwise apathetic electorate -- of that. None of that's going away because they dug a tin pot dictator up out of a basement in his home town, and even if the news doesn't report it, you don't need a guy on CNN to tell you that your personal debt is through the roof, and making $7.50 an hour at Home Depot doesn't maintain your lifestyle like a $13.00 an hour tech sector job did.

in the immediate aftermath of some big news item - either Bush is declared to be toast or, more often, we're all declared doomed. It isn't just the political newbies, either. Very much agreed on the need for a collective deep breath.

of present day culture to be so damn panicky? I sort of see it as a lack of commitment and fortitude. I never heard MLK moaning and groaning at every perceived setback.

Everything is in the immediate, and being online, of course, we get caught right up in it without taking time to digest things. One reason I watch very little TV news any more. :)

thing as rebuilding a country. The Iraqis may be pleased he's out of the way now. But, they still have a lot of issues there we haven't addressed yet, and may not to their satisfaction (nor ours) by election time.

Iraq still doesn't have a reliable energy supply, including gasoline and electricity, all utilities including running water. Their police force is in it's infancy. We are having to hire a non Ba'athist army for a second time. Oh, and don't forget, they don't have jobs either.

None of this stuff is going away next year. We have plenty to debate.

Bush has bumbled so many other things, we need only take our pick. The war was but one of many--and his bumbling of it is not as important as him starting it in the first place, with lies, no less. However, I hang out in 'The Latest' here at DU. I've noticed in the past few weeks that the bad news about Bush continues to dwindle, meaning even many of Bush's seemingly mundane, every day actions that tend to piss off us liberals are not being publicized by the media. Also, someone seems to have put a tourniquette on the news from the war. So that makes me think that there has been a directive from the White House: 'Nothing but good news until the election!' Nothing has changed, except that the Bushies are starting to hide their once openly flaunted crimes and go full gear into propoganda even Goebbels could envy. We are going to have to find new ways to fight them, and remind ourselves that it is the Bushies we are fighting, not ourselves.

. . .there are some on this board who need Bush to fail in Iraq and there are others who don't. Its that simple.

nothing has changed.

Everything has changed overnight! We're doomed, I tells ya, DOOMED!!! AHHHHHHHHH!

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this in-depth post in response but, when it got lost somewhere in cyber world.

short but sweet now(and no, i'm not refering to myself) NO. i wasn't banking anything on Iraq.

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(and no, i'm not refering to myself)

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