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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:42 PM
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We CAN and STILL WILL Win -- Here's How
First of all, there are still going to be huge unemployed in key states (Ohio, WV, NH, even NC) and 45% of the country still can't stand *. Plus, Saddam's capture WILL NOT END the insurgency (though, from a nonpolitical, human standpoint, I HOPE it does... I just don't think it will).

Bush will still tar the opponent as being a wimp. If it's Dean or Clark, or even Kerry (who's been emphasizing recently that we wouldn't be at war if he were president) that if it were for them Saddam would still be in power.

We can easily respond at a debate with this:
"Saddam's removal from power and capture was a great thing. In the long term the Iraqi people will be far better off, and a potential threat was removed. But at what cost? Hundreds of American lives, tens of billions of dollars, insurgency, instability, thousands of Iraqi civilian lives, our complete loss of respect from the rest of the world, a bogged-down, overburdened army, and a huge sore on U.S. taxpayers. It's clear that he was not an imminent threat. There were no WMDs. We should have supported a vigorous inspections regime to contain Saddam and learn more about the status of his supposed WMD programs. But Removing Saddam Hussein was NOT worth this kind of cost, especially since he was not an imminent threat to the United States.

"We have no option now but to make the best of it. I was prepared to go to war only as AS A LAST RESORT, and only IF it was proved that Saddam Hussein had WMD's. Furthermore, I would have gone to war unilaterally ONLY IF EVERY EFFORT TO GET UN SUPPORT FAILED. Your actions were inept, reckless, and ideological, and while the war has come to SOME good, capturing Saddam cannot conceal the fact that you have made an extraordinary mess."
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:58 PM
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1. This doesn't change all that much, really
If this had happened next September, it would be a real boost for Bush, but there's almost a year before the next election.

This capture doesn't change the fact that all the people have died, that Bush lied about our reasons for going in, that it's cost us 160 billion so far, that it hasn't done anything to reduce the risk of terrorism. It got rid of one despot, that's all.

In fact, this makes a good argument for bringing the troops home, now that SH can't return.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:01 PM
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3. And...
all that assumes that the capture changes things significantly. If the violence continues (heaven forbid), that'll be a worse black eye for Whistle Ass.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:59 PM
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2. Bush - wotta maroon
It's important to realize that in terms of popularity, Bush is now in more trouble than he's ever been - and this is assuming that all the polls indicating majority support for the Iraq invasion are true.

Not to mention that Mr. "I'm a Uniter, Not a Divider" has succeeded in turning the United States into what Time has now labelled a "50-50 nation." Even some of Bush's staunchest supporters are predicting that the 2004 race is going to be extremely close.

We just have to do a little research and pull up every lie, damn lie, and statistic that Bush used to justify invading Iraq. Every allegation that Hussein was linked with al-Qaeda, every hint that Hussein had something to do with 9/11, every reference to smuggling uranium out of Africa, every "mushroom cloud" quote, every no-bid contract for Halliburton or its subsidiaries, every Hussein loyalist put in charge by the US military, every pro-democracy Iraqi activist wanted for arrest by the same US military - dig them all up, lay them out for the American public to see, and keep it up until America makes the same promise that the Jews did after the Holocaust - Never Again.
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