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snoochie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:02 PM
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Kucinich on Capture of Saddam Hussein
Edited on Sun Dec-14-03 01:02 PM by snoochie
"With the capture of Saddam Hussein the Administration's stated goal of removing him from power has been accomplished. Now the focus must be on ending the occupation. International law must be followed and Saddam Hussein must be held accountable for his actions.

"The United States must seize this moment and end the occupation of Iraq. The United States must reach out to the world community with a new plan to stabilize Iraq, bring UN peacekeepers in, and bring US troops home."

Short and to the point.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:03 PM
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1. Well Said DK! n/t
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:05 PM
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2. another good statement from DK n/t
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:10 PM
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3. The *last* known stated "goal" ^_^
Those "goals" were a bit slippery.... or... waffly....

Thanks so much, snoochie, for posting this.... I guess he's the "celebrity" in my life... I gravitate to what he says.

Kanary
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:27 PM
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25. you beat me to it
I wish he had said "Bush's most recent stated goal".
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:10 PM
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4. silly dupe...sigh...
Edited on Sun Dec-14-03 01:12 PM by Kanary
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:11 PM
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5. well put
Lets bring our troops home!

http://www.bringthemhomenow.com/
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:12 PM
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6. Kucinich: UN in, US out - Bring the troops home in 90 days
His message has been consistent.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:13 PM
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7. That should be the Democratic response
get out, mission accomplished.
On lies and treachery...
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:14 PM
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8. tough to argue with this
which is why it will be ignored. Dismissed without even commenting on it.
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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:15 PM
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9. "stated goal"
Is this an implication that there is an unstated one?

Nice statement DK. Satying on message.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:17 PM
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10. Yes,
this is what I said in MR's now monster thread. :eyes: The misadministration doesn't have an excuse now for avoiding debate with us about everything that's been there waiting since 2001.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:18 PM
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11. Once again DK nails it just right
Removing Hussein was the tenth different reason the Bushites used as an excuse to rape Iraqs economy. Now that the soldiers have caught him its time to bring our people home. Of course this wont happen until the corporations suck Iraq dry, and the wheels are in place to continue doing so after we pull out.

I hate to be pessimistic about Iraq, but with the cockroach in charge its the only way . And hes proven it repeatedly.

Now, more than ever, Dennis Kucinich.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:18 PM
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12. "International law must be followed.." Sounds like DK is joining Clark...
in calling for open, international trials. :thumbsup:
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:20 PM
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13. A very good statement
It says at least some of what needs to be said.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:32 PM
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14. Big Kick for Special K
and by the way lets bring our troops home now!

http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:47 PM
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15. kick
for keeping special k on the first page of GD. It takes a lot of kicking but we can do it!

http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 02:01 PM
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16. "Stated goal."
LOL.

Dennis is really quite deft at making his points.

:yourock:
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 02:41 PM
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18. It takes "deft" to deal with "daft" ^_^
Edited on Sun Dec-14-03 02:43 PM by Kanary
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 02:27 PM
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17. This guy's too smart to run...
for President. Or maybe too honest.

Really, I love the guy, and he's spot on most of the time. Like with this statement.

So, why the hell is he running almost dead last? We need his voice.





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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 02:47 PM
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19. Why, indeed
Edited on Sun Dec-14-03 02:49 PM by Kanary
Mostly because so many people keep saying "He is the best candidate/he most closely matches my criteria/we need Dennis but.... "He's 'unelectable'" Say that enough times, like the right does, and people believe it, and back someone else. It's been said here many, many many times that if all the people who say "He's my choice but he's unelectable" would actually back him, Dennis would be flying high.

We get what we.....
Kucinich 2004!

Kanary
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PissedOffPollyana Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:35 PM
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26. Agreed! Here are a few possible rea$ons...
First, his campaign is obviously viewed as an annoyance to the administration, who like it when candidates are too involved in a race for the middle to take action on things like the occupation & the $$, Diebold (& other BBV Co.s)& voting irregularities, war profiteering, media conglomeration, etc.

Next, his campaign is obviously viewed as an annoyance to the media, who are owned by conglomerates who have benefitted handsomely by the 2-party race to see their whims instead of the needs of the public.

Third, his campaign is obviously viewed as an annoyance to the Democratic party, who are trying to frame the issues in such a way as to avoid any confrontation with the interests it has served over the past few decades; mediocrity, greed and fear.

If the voters actually get to see & hear candidates who call for greater accountability, less control by the entities that decide our fates, they might actually VOTE for them and set a mandate the party has no intention to act upon. Thus we are in the process of trying to be convinced that we should just shut up, that we could have it worse than being ignored.

The question is not, why does Dennis Kucinich (as well as Carol Mosely Braun & Al Sharpton) not get votes? It is why doesn't he ( as well as the other 2 of the "Step-child 3") get to be seen and heard? It is why don't more Democrats have issue with being told, "We may get to your issues next time around. This time it is too important to beat ____ (insert evil GOP bastard here) to talk about changing things. We have to appeal to scared white people who don't like change, so vote for us and we'll get to you next time... REALLY, we promise."

If more voters got to hear about the campaigns and platforms of these candidates, instead of party-regular declarations and horse-race analogies, they WOULD have more votes.

I would love to see the "Step-child 3" band together and share their support. Imagine a Kucinich/Braun ticket with Al in a prominent role (sorry to Al. He may have support, but these folks have realtime experience with law-making and governance and let's face it, the man has some baggage. I love where he is now, but there are years of footage that can be used to make him look really bad). I suggest DK at the helm, mainly because he has the most detailed plan and (quite honestly) because he is my candidate. If all the red-headed step children got behind the candidates that actually serve them as their choice of an administration, it could revolutionize the party vision.

Imagine if you will, a coalition of people of color, gays & lesbians and progressive liberals all working toward the common goal of seeing a sea change in the role of our party, representatives and government. THAT would be about the real power of the people who are the core of the Democratic party and is the greatest fear of anyone who tells you that we should unite behind a leader chosen for us by the media or party "leaders".
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funkyflathead Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 02:52 PM
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20. UN PEACEKEEPERS?
keep dreamin Dennis. NOBODY except the US wants in Iraq to get shot and killed at daily.

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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:17 PM
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22. UN Peacekeepers
http://www.un.org/events/peacekeepers/docs/qanda.htm

United Nations (UN) peacekeeping is a means by which the international community can encourage the establishment of sustainable peace in places and situations where conflict threatens or has been recently subdued. Most often, it is used to help solidify fragile peace processes that emerge in post-conflict situations.

Under the UN Charter, the 15-member UN Security Council is given the power to take collective action to maintain international peace and security, and it is this body that usually establishes UN peacekeeping operations. The first peacekeeping operation, the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization (UNTSO), was established in 1948 in the Middle East and is still active today. Since that time, there have been 56 United Nations peacekeeping operations. Of these, 43 have been established since 1988 and 14 are ongoing.

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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:08 PM
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21. kick n/t
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:19 PM
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23. Nice sentiment, but...
bring UN peacekeepers in

Peace-keepers implies there is a peace to keep.
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funkyflathead Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:24 PM
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24. As I said they will be killed too
Merely putting on a blue beret will not change anything.

It's a WAR zone.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:57 PM
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27. MOU during transition
Please read the plan.

http://www.kucinich.us/bringourtroopshome.php

The UN is now in an impossible situation, where most of the members view the war and occupation of Iraq to be a US folly. Under these circumstances, the UN can’t help.

The President must go to the UN and announce the US intention to hand over all administrative and security responsibilities to the UN. The UN would help Iraqis move quickly toward self-determination.

The UN, not the US, will administer Iraq’s oil revenues. It will be necessary to renounce clearly and unequivocally any interest in controlling Iraq’s oil resources.

The UN will administer contracts to repair Iraq. War profiteering will no longer be practiced by the White House. It will be necessary to suspend all reconstruction contracts and close the US-led Coalition Provisional Authority, because of the suspicion caused by the sweetheart deals that the Administration has given to large American corporations. In its place, the UN would help Iraqis administer funds to employ Iraqis to repair the damage from the invasion.
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