Iraq War = Bad, Justice for Saddam = Good

I don't believe the means (war) was justified by the ends )capturing Saddam). I do believe that he was dispicable. Human dignity demands that people who are so cruel be brought to justice.

Are there lots of others? Sure. It would be nice if they were brought to justice as well.

Isn't this what the International Court was designed for?

go to trial, are convicted and are severely punished too.

Well we shouldn't forget the Russian, French, Chinese and German accomplices also. The Soviet Union and France were by far the largest arms suppliers to Saddam both before and during the Iran-Iraq war and they were also the his biggest supporters up until his final days in power.

please supply evidence for your contention that "The Soviet Union and France were by far the largest arms suppliers to Saddam both before and during the Iran-Iraq war."


The report gives us a complete overview of these supplies for the first time. In particular it names the 24 US companies and when and to whom in Iraq the supplies were delivered. And it makes clear how strongly the Reagan and the first Bush administrations supported the arming of Iraq, from 1980 up to the Gulf conflict of 1990/91. Substantial construction units for the Iraqi nuclear weapon and rocket programs were supplied with permission of the government in Washington. The poison Anthrax for the arming of Iraq with biological weapons stemmed from US laboratories. Iraqi military and armament experts were trained in the US and there received know-how having to do with their domestic arms programs.

The full list of arms suppliers to Iraq, as published by the taz on 12/19/02, can be found at http://www.taz.de/pt/2002/12/19/a0080.nf/textdruck

Legend used in this list:

A = nuclear program,
B = bioweapons program,
C = chemical weapons program,
R = rocket program,
K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the Iraqi Defense Ministry and the building of military plants.

After the list of US firms are these remarks: "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50 subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as suppliers for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories." (Anu's translation)


US CORPORATIONS

1 Honeywell (R, K)

2 Spectra Physics (K)

3 Semetex (R)

4 TI Coating (A, K)

5 Unisys (A, K)

6 Sperry Corp. (R, K)

7 Tektronix (R, A)

8 Rockwell (K)

9 Leybold Vacuum Systems (A)

10 Finnigan-MAT-US (A)

11 Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K)

12 Dupont (A)

13 Eastman Kodak (R)

14 American Type Culture Collection (B)

15 Alcolac International (C)

16 Consarc (A)

17 Carl Zeiss - U.S (K)

18 Cerberus (LTD) (A)

19 Electronic Associates (R)

20 International Computer Systems (A, R, K)

21 Bechtel (K)

22 EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R)

23 Canberra Industries Inc. (A)

24 Axel Electronics Inc. (A)

http://www.rense.com/general32/suppe.htm

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>please supply evidence for your contention that "The Soviet Union and France were by far the largest arms suppliers to Saddam both before and during the Iran-Iraq war."

The most obvious proof is that in the last two wars with Iraq they have, almost exclusively, used Soviet and French weapons. Where do you think Scuds, MIGs, Mirages, Exocets, etc are made? For more concrete proof you can go to the Stockholm Peace Research Institute website:

http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/atirq_data.html

There are a couple of .pdf files you can read there.

You can also go to http://countrystudies.us/iraq/appendix.htm. This information is from the Library of Congress - I believe originally complied by the U.S. State Department. You may or may not consider this source reliable but it seems to be largely consistent with the info given on the SPRI website.

Since 1990? You are really grasping for straws here. You need to accept the reality that it was the Soviets and the "peace loving" French who were the main weapons suppliers of Saddam - not the U.S.

This is the day and age where thinktanks and front groups are used for perverting results in order to "justify" an action. Come back and talk to me when any of your arguments hold any water.

Have a nice day:D

It seems that everyone (except Rense.com and DU of course) is in on it!

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/war/iran-iraq.htm

take care of their own problems. We Americans need to take care of ours.

Heh, we just took care of one of them this morning.

scripted coverup.

He was a murderous dictator and all murderous dictators should be brought to justice. Now if we could only bring the murderous dictator in the White House to justice....


:dem:

And it's true, it is good to defend people against dictators.

So why did we re-establish ties with Equatorial Guinea recently?

And further, we seem to go after the bad guys for the wrong reasons. Yes, I agree. However, I'm still happy SH was captured.

I'm not an admirer of self-agrandizing vigilantism.

But I agree with your formulation too.

The US are not the moral arbiters of the world. There is no justice in one unjust regime capturing the leader of another unjust regime to further thier power.