Lieberman: If Howard Dean got his way, Saddam would still be in power!

And there goes my ABB vow.

I reposted this after the original was locked.

I WILL NOT vote for someone who takes such joy in dividing our party with hateful FALSE rhetoric! :mad:

but tacky and uncalled for, yes!

We shouldn't be in Iraq, period. Saddam doesn't matter in the least (to us), he's a washed up, impotent dictator, and was BEFORE we invaded and killed 22,000 innocent Iraqis, and suffered over 400 of our own losses. We did it all for the pretend cause of capturing someone who had no power against us from the beginning!

Meanwhile, bin Laden is still at large, our troops continue to die, our treasury is totally looted, and our military is depleted over a cause that benefited only the very few. It's been a heavy pricetag for this little "victory". Let's see if we finally put an end to this maddness, or continue the charade and the looting and killing that goes with it!

nt

The media whores will pick this up and beat Dean with it for weeks and months. It was a dirty desperate cheap shot, and Joe knew it!!!

I HAD promised to not criticize any Dem candidate, but this made me break my promise. DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The prospect of a Lieberman nomination, though very remote, is the only reason for a Nader candidacy.

Joe ... Go! ... Away!

If Lieberman, or any of the other Democratic candidates, use this Saddam capture as just another way to attack Dean, I think we should all agree to drop support for those candidates. This is about defeating Bush, not Dean or Kerry or Edwards, etc. Remember that ... it is that plain and simple.

Lieberman has always rubbed me the wrong way, I managed to muster up a small amount of sympathy for him over the Gore endorsement but I really wish he'd just go away. Welcome :hi:

Can't you guys see that?

2) running against the democratic party?

I watched his "debate" with Cheney in 2000, Cheney wiped the floor with him, and he didn't even realize it.

He might get 35% in the general election if we were lucky...fortunately, he doesn't have a prayer of winning the nomination.

"joe loserman" during the 2000 election campaign. "joe loserman" please go away; we are tired of your whining voice!

they misjudged him.

We Can't.

Because he would drive half of the party to Nader, to begin with.

When he cant win the nomination. Dean or Clark are the only two that can beat Bush.

Dean will suffer in the poll as a result of Saddam's capture. Clark will close the gap and so will Gephardt. Kerry is finished. Lieberman has no chance of winning the nomination.

The race in NH and Iowa just got a whole lot tighter.

Using Saddam to take cheap shots at the front-runner is, put simply, the other candidates being sore losers. Nobody likes a sore loser.

on a more positive note, welcome earthside :hi:

Usually, I get attacked for them. Maybe some people will see that when the enemy is in the gutter, you have to go to the gutter to kick their asses before they drag others into it too.

FUCK BUSH Buttons, Stickers & Magnets

Have you noticed that Holy Joe is talking more about Howard Dean than he is about Bush? His comments today are nothing but tripe. He is looking so desparate now.

Shut up and move aside, Joe!


John

Disgusting divisive (and ultimately destructive) behavior for our party.

Let them continue to name call and make their remarks. The more they do this, the more it's going to make Dean look good.


John

..Lieberman is a Republican.
It should be quite clear by now. Anybody who says otherwise is watching too much Fox News.

going to shut up?

Is he getting paid I wonder?

Sure he is getting paid by the Republicans to "neutralizre" the Democrats. To make them weak. All of these "Blue Dog" Demos are Republican agents. That's why they need to clear off.


John

And there are those who defend him as a true "Democrat"?



:eyes:



John

Fuck you, holy joe sleazerman.

Joe is right!

We'll never have to repay them, will we?

we won't.

this is bullshit

but i promise - Rove will make this case, and with hundreds of hours of taped testimony from people who had loved ones tortured and killed. For Lieberman vs Dean, this wont work... for Rove vs Dean it would be reasonably effective.

I guess thinks he will be the frontrunner now that Saddam has been captured as if he has somehow been vindicated.

i am worried that he aint the only one.

peace

besides, if joe really cares for something as - it's this war, whose name he defended fiercely. He's a true believer.

I don't see quotation marks.
Of course that is the kind of thing I would expect from him. Any links?

I was basing the quote off memory and it's a bit different. Here is the original quote (he said it both in a press release and on Meet the Press:

This news also makes clear the choice the Democrats face next year. If Howard Dean had his way, Saddam Hussein would still be in power today, not in prison, and the world would be a more dangerous place.

http://www.joe2004.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6492

MR. RUSSERT: As you know, Governor Dean has surged to the front of the pack in the Democratic race, now called the front-runner. He was endorsed by Al Gore, the man who said three years ago that you should be the person one heartbeat away from the presidency. Why did Al Gore endorse Howard Dean and not you?

SEN. LIEBERMAN: Well, you'd have to ask Al Gore that question. From my point of view, the last week has clarified the choice that Democrats and Independents who vote in our primaries have between Howard Dean and me. He will take this country backward to where we were before Bill Clinton transformed our party. I'm going to continue more determined than ever to fight for what's right for my party and my country. That means supporting middle-class tax cuts which he's opposed to, supporting fiscal responsibility, supporting a strong defense. And let's be real specific. On the question that we're celebrating today, Howard Dean throughout this campaign has said he wasn't sure that Saddam really represented a threat to us. At one point he said, "I suppose the Iraqis are better off with Saddam Hussein gone." I would say this, and this is a choice the voters have to make in the primaries. If Howard Dean had his way, Saddam Hussein would be power today, not in prison.

http://www.joe2004.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6493

what a disgrace!!

I nearly fell out of my chair in shock.

And it should go something like this. "Fuck you Mr. Lieberman, you are a liar and a piece of republican scum. I'm ashamed I picked you as my running mate."

eom


John

To Lieberman and all the other right wing propagandists: if we had done things as Howard Dean (and others) had wanted, Saddam still would have been captured, perhaps sooner. But we wouldn't have had 400+ and counting dead Americans, we wouldn't have spent hundreds of billions of dollars that we don't have, the rest of the world would not depise us, and we'd be going after the real terrorists, not the imaginary ones in Iraq.

I live in Manhattan, and I don't feel one bit safer today than I did yesterday.

This kind of talk doesn't help Lieberman, not now and certainly not in the future. It's patently stupid, and even he will come to recognize that.

He is toast. He is just acting desparate. He must know that his campaign is doomed. Of course, he is probably in denial!


John

never.

Lieberman is correct. If there had been no invasion:

• Saddam would remain in power;
• He would remain a brutal tyrant;
• He would remain a paper tiger;
• He would remain a contained threat;
He would remain a deterrent to Islamism in Iraq, albeit a brutal one.

Instead, the invasion occured and:

• We have an occupation regime that no more has the welfare of the Iraqi people in mind than did Saddam;
• We have war profiteering by Bush's cronies;
• We have a terrorist presence in Iraq that was not there before;
• We have half of the army's combat divsions tied up on occupation duty instead of persuing international terrorists.

There is no good way for Lieberman or Bush to spin the invasion. All of the reasons given to justify the war were lies. That Lieberman repeated them sitll makes him look either dishonest or gullible. The occupation remains a problem and Saddam's capture won't alleviate that. The Iraqi people want an end to a foreign occupation that is designed to steal their resources from them and place them in the hands of Bush's corporate cronies.

Lieberman has failed to connect the invasion of Iraq to the war on terror. It is an impossible task, because it had nothing to do with the war on terror. The Bushies knew this and Lieberman should have.

In spite of today's events, those who continue to support Mr. Bush's war on terror uncritically do this country no good service.

He'd be too busy licking Bush's boots.

"We have half of the army's combat divsions tied up on
occupation duty instead of persuing international terrorists."

Deans way

we wouldn't have half of the army's combat divsions tied
up on occupation duty instead of persuing international
terrorists

I should learn to spell pursue.

And take Judas IsKerryot with you :grr:

LOL!

that was a doozy against Kerry. Why not just say, "I support Dean and I wish that everyone would just get out of my man's way so that he could be anointed already."

If Kerry is Judas, is Dean Jesus in your scenario?

Let me know if and how Saddam would not be in power if we were not in Iraq or followed the most recent Dean position on the Iraq War.

Yeah, the CIA could have popped him...

Dean needs to come up with a convincing answer about this issue. I'm sure there will be something tomorrow in his FP speech.

#23.

Maybe it's time for Dean to go back to saying he was originally for the IWR, which he has tried to hide for the most part. He's flip-flopped on it before, so what the hay. And it seems most people who support him wouldn't even notice the difference.

I've generally tried to stay away from knocking this or that candidate, but a Kerry supporter claiming that Dean has flip-flopped on IWR is pretty rich.

There are a number of quotes of Dean being for the Biden-Lugar amendment to the IWR as well as this quote from a Salon article that even had him saying he was in support of a unilateral strike. This was before he saw it being politically expedient to be against the Iraq War. A snip from the article:

"... Saddam must be disarmed, but with a multilateral force under the auspices of the United Nations. If the U.N. in the end chooses not to enforce its own resolutions, then the U.S. should give Saddam 30 to 60 days to disarm, and if he doesn't, unilateral action is a regrettable, but unavoidable, choice."

"On the campaign trail with the un-Bush" by Jake Tapper
Salon, February 2002
http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2003/02/20/dean/index1.html

Howard Dean, TODAY:
I never said Saddam was a danger to the United States. Ever. Saddam was a regional danger. I believed that he had weapons of mass destruction. I believe we could have controlled him. I believed that the proper way to remove him should he need to be removed was through the United Nations and I never wavered from that.


BUT HE SAID SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT BEFORE THE VOTE

Dean reiterated his Biden-Lugar position but did not denounce the enacted resolution until later. He also said Bush should be taken at his word that Iraq constituted a threat.


Only Days Before The Resolution Was Passed
"I believe that we may need to go into Iraq at some point. There's no question that Saddam is a threat."


There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat to the United States and to our allies.

the lion's share of the burden, and with out UN support. This war was going to happen with Bush in the White House. It was pre-ordained, no question. Every sensible person the world over thought that inspections and a broad coalition would have brought about a much better result.

It isn't over yet. If the insurgency continues with Saddam in custody, then what will Bush/Rove spin. It sure doesn't look like Saddam was running the show, to me anyway.

with Joe Lieberman (R-Repulsive) at info@joe2004.com.

If Holy Joe does not get our party nomination, I truly believe he
would like our candidate to lose and will hope for a Bush win. As
many of us have stated above, he is a Bush-lite. I think he's a
full blown Judas and will betray the democratic party totally. We
have Zell Miller and Joe - Gads.

Democratic presidential nomination.

that Lieberman ever said anything that would make a Democrat want to vote for him? I'm not sure where he thinks he's headed now, but I can't imagine it's the White House.

everytime i hear it, i know Karl gets a little warm feeling in his chest (though i'm not sure he knows what it is)

that Joe is right, remember, regime change was never our originally stated intent in this war on terror, it was supposed to be about the 9/11 bombers (Saudi/al Qaeda ops), then WMD ruse about Iraq...we settled for Hussein because we knew it was eminently doable, could be spun into 9/11 and it was the PNAC game plan from the git go....ugh!

Once again, this pitiful man works overtime to divide our party and help Karl Rove and minions to re-elect his pal, Bush.

Lieberman should be driven out of the Democratic party as the traitor that he is.

I agree with you guys, Lieberman needs to go away NOW. Actually, I realized how out of touch he was when he said that the video game "Grand Theft Auto:Vice City" was a symptom of the downfall of morals in this country. Haha.

Perhaps a petition named DraftJoeOut is in order.
To petition him to drop out of the race because he is just
hurting the party by his actions and that he should
really reconsider which party he actually represents.

Just a thought...

And while he's at it, he can take Zell Miller and Joe Biden with him. Joe, you're such an ignorant slut.

I can no longer refrain from attacking any of the candidates.

I'm feeling a rather overpowering urge to go from ABB to ABBOL right now.

I doubt that there is even an alternate universe where Lieberman could win the nomination.

He polls against Bush as well as any dem (9 points behind), polls second in South Carolina, and ties Clark for second nationally.

I despise Leiberman, but better that we keep our eyes open. He has some support out there. The only good news is that his poll numbers have been flat for the past couple of months.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=764

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm

He is so stupid he is just makeing potshots at Dean just so he can have a chance to get back in the race.

I was ABB!!!

I will NEVER vote for Lieberman!!!!

does he even realize that is what he just did?

Yeah, he does. I look for him to become the next Zell after he loses the nom.

For christ's sake, he isn't anything but bad news!

Dean's weak stance on this did little to help. IT helped distinguish himself for political gain but not the country.

If we had did what Dean wanted Saddam would be controled and a whole bunch of good men and women would still be alive. We might be able to afford to fix health care, education, roads, and on and on. This war was wrong and stupid and I don't care how many Saddams we capture.
Dean is, and was right! I could never vote for loserman, but I won't need too.

then perhaps some American serviceman deaths could be avoided.

If this war is being waged on borrowed dollars as believe it is, there will simply be no borrowing taking place. It was the repeal of tax cuts that would fund the initiatives you bention if I understand Dr Dean's plan.

The war may be wrong and stupid but there is only one Saddam. Geez, I hope Rush doesn't come across this thread.

In the pants--and out of the Senate, and out of our party.

Stay away JOE!!!!

Kick!

In the pants--and out of the Senate, and out of our party.

Stay away JOE!!!!

:kick:

Anybody but Bush or Lieberman.

of why I'm ABBL. He's not even really running as a Democrat. I've seen him and his campaign staff talking about how they're mainly aiming at Independents and McCain Republicans. I wonder how long it will take after he drops out, before he endorses Bush*.:eyes:

Sees this capture as an oppurtunity to attack Dean. Everything is an oppurtunity to attack Dean.

They never put this much energy into attacking Bush...and they never will.

Sad.

:D

armless, eyeless, and legless. It's all a matter of your priorities, Joe.

Since Joe Lieberman is basically aping Awol Bush's foreign policy, it is only fair to say that his invasion of Iraq would have prevented us from securing Afghanistan or capturing OBL.

to replace Cheney!

and we are spared the painful choice of sitting out the election altogether, or voting for a third party candidate.

He would still be in power, according to Bush. And if legitimate inspections were allowed to continue, they may have proven that Saddam had complied.

without a recount.

F##k that #$*@^#.

n/t