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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 02:41 PM
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Why Saddams capture could hurt Bush....
Edited on Sun Dec-14-03 02:49 PM by mzmolly
Today is a good day for the Bush administration, but I'm not so sure it matters much to our troops and or in the coming election.

This could indeed be very bad in the long run if attacks against our soldiers continue, and Iraq continues to be unstable. Saddam is ONE man. The capture of Saddam makes the quagmire in Iraq more apparent, and the fact that we have attempted what may be an impossible mission. (Stabilizing Iraq)

I think this is a very short victory for * and company and anyone who favored the war in Iraq.

Just my 2 cents.
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Military Brat Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 02:47 PM
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1. Yeah, our troops are just dying to see what happens next
Saddam became a non-issue in the Iraq War when the $25 million bounty came into play. Where's Osama?
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 02:49 PM
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Recall that when the offed Uday and Qusay...
...Bush got a brief bump, but the continuation of attacks, and the simple fact that the troops were still overextended, eroded that bump within two weeks. Bush still got us into a war based on lies, he still executed post-war planning like a ham-fisted drunk. This capture does not change these facts...
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 02:49 PM
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2. I agree
Since they've already used saddams removal so much in order to try to justify the war, Im really not sure how much long term political capitcal they can get from capturing him. People arent terribly confortable with the idea that this war was simply to remove some bad guy who didnt threaten us, I dont see how having that bad guy makes that any better.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 02:53 PM
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4. I think you guys are right, and in fact it could really hurt Bush in the
end... Republicans are simple folk who I'm sure thought Saddam was causing "all that trouble for our troops" ... and, when it becomes apparent, just what kind of a hole we've dug for ourselves there's no tellin how this will impact * ??
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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 02:51 PM
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3. In the long term, it could make things even worse
The Shia majority is now likely to say "You got what you came for, now get the hell out of here."
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 02:53 PM
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5. I totally agree.
:)
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 02:55 PM
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6. Good point
This PR boost will prove short-lived as the reality sinks in that the 'insurgents' are not Saddam supporters.
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eblack101 Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:27 PM
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7. But How About The Other Iraqis?
Friends,

I agree with all your points about the fact that the attacks will continue. But none of you are considering another major point: How much better, and hence, safer, will things get for our troops when the Iraqis that have feared that Saddam would return and take revenge, now consider themselves free to turn in senior Baathists and tell us what they know?

For this result alone, the taking of Saddam will be very fortunate for us. That credit will go to our Resident is the downside of this general improvement in our soldiers' mission.

Even the sun, that causes all things to grow, hurts our eyes. Nothing's perfect. Still, as one of my bohemian friends said about an artificial tanning product, if you can't believe in the sun, what can you believe in?

eric
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:34 PM
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9. The iraqi people are quite divided and most of America didn't grasp that
fact previously. They thought Iraqis ALL wanted to be "liberated" as this is what we were 'sold'.

The complexities of stabalizing Iraq *if that is even possible* will become even more apparent when 'peace' does not prevail simply because of the capture of Saddam Hussein.

This is a very short victory for Bush, and the Saddam trophy will be seen as such as time goes on.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:29 PM
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8. Yes, it could be a Catch-22...
This could be a Catch-22 for him. If he does pull out the troops, it may encourage more insurgents to come into the country and create more havoc. If he keeps the troops in the country, he risks losing the support of the families of the troops and many voters that might have supported him in the war. There will be a clarion call to withdraw the troops now that Saddam has been captured. If there are more casualties, then the cry will be louder.
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Race4Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:36 PM
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10. It's true...
The Bush* addministration threw themselves even more off course to keep from finding Osama. This has been a prety dumb way to find Osama, because saddam had nothing to do with the attacks on 9-11. That's gonna cost Mr. Bushy. If Bush didn't go crazy 'bout SH, we could have OBL right now, but nnoooooooo. The f***ing idiot just HAD TO BLOW # BILLION OF UNCLE SAM'S DOLLARS RIGHT OUT OF HIS A**!!!!!
If that dumba** tries to pull off something else to keep himself off task, boy, I 'oughta...
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