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Alex146 Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:02 PM
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This is sick...
we can watch video clips of Saddam getting a medical exam. Yes, he was a bad man, but this is just makes me sick. We treat him like an animal.
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Character Assassin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:04 PM
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1. So what? Yes, you read correctly: so what?
Golly, video of him being examined by a doctor.

Call for a Special Prosecutor!
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Dob Bole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:06 PM
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2. They gave him a doctor? Those Bastards!!!!
How inhumane of them! All our military personnell suddenly suck!
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:12 PM
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3. Bread and circuses
and coliseum spectacle are certainly popular these days.

But then why start paying attention to the Geneva convention now?
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:16 PM
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4. POW status... Geneva Convention?
If this was * would we be yelling about the pictures being displayed?

:shrug:
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:16 PM
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5. Tongue depressors?!?! Those fiends!!!
I've seen black guys get roughed up by police for speeding, or even for acting extroverted. Saddam was a brutally sadistic murderer, and he gets a dainty l'il medical check-up.... and some of us complain that he's being treated like "an animal?"

I wish there was a "shaking head in disbelief" emoticon.
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Frederic Bastiat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 06:31 PM
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21. LOL
Touché
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funkyflathead Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:18 PM
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6. I see what you are saying
Putting him on display.

Pretty sick huh? A prize for Bush's war room.
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beardedOldMan Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:20 PM
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7. You're kidding right? Yeah I knew it!
Personally, if they threw a grenade into the hole or sprayed raid into it. It wouldn't make me lose any sleep. After finding out about those mass graves and what those whackjob sons of his did to women in front of their husbands and fathers...man! Sure maybe we went to this war for the wrong reasons...but dude now that we got this f*** that W's dad should've taken out in 91 (instead of letting the kurds get massacred)...let's be real.

They should've stuck the tongue depressor up his butt before putting it in his mouth.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:07 PM
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10. Saddam was trained by the CIA
and I hear Ghaddafi studied political science at Stanford.

THE US has personally trained just about EVERY SINGLE DICTATOR in the world today.
And you, beardedOldMan have been listening to way too much propaganda.

In case you missed the news: Your government, specifically the Bush administration, has just created a White House office for global propaganda. They are not calling it that, of course. They are calling it the Office of Global Communications. Its purpose: to explain and promote U.S. policies and actions to the rest of the world. Or, as White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said, the new office will put out the word about ``what America is all about and why America does what it does.''
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0813-06.htm

The communications office helps devise and coordinate each day's talking points on the war. Civilian and military personnel, for example, are told to refer to the invasion of Iraq as a "war of liberation." Iraqi paramilitary forces are to be called "death squads."

The effects of that discipline are evident almost daily. When questions arose recently about whether the United States could find Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, U.S. spokesmen and spokeswomen--from the White House to the Pentagon to the Central Command in Qatar--simultaneously insisted that the war was "not about one man."

So controlled is the administration's message that officials from Bush on down often use identical anecdotes to make their points, for example about Hussein's brutality. But the White House sometimes has been unable to provide details or documentation to back up those stories, and some human-rights activists have expressed skepticism about them.

One oft-repeated anecdote, for example, concerned an Iraqi woman who ostensibly waved at a U.S. military unit. When the unit returned to the area, the story goes, it found the woman hanged from a lamppost.

Yet U.S. officials never specified where that happened or gave any further details, and they declined to say how they know about it beyond citing "intelligence reports."

A second story involved an Iraqi man who, having criticized Hussein's regime, was tied to a post in a Baghdad square after his tongue was cut out and bled to death. "That's how Saddam Hussein retains power," Bush said at Camp David on March 27.

The story was repeated by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, his deputy Paul Wolfowitz and Pentagon briefers during the next several days. But administration officials have declined to say when the incident occurred or who saw it.

Although the chilling stories sound familiar to those who have documented Hussein's atrocities, the specific anecdotes could not be corroborated by Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, journalists in the region or U.S. intelligence sources.
<snip>
Bush's global communications strategy is the brainchild of one of his closest advisers, Karen Hughes. It is a strategy born of the Bush team's experience in political campaigns and honed during the war in Afghanistan, and its chief objective is to respond nearly instantly to criticism of the administration or the war anywhere in the Arab world throughout the 24-hour-a-day news cycle.

The office, expected to remain in place after the Iraq war ends, handles not only daily planning but also longer-term issues. That ability to chart a course far ahead of time, and adhere closely to it regardless of outside distractions, has been a Bush hallmark.

"That crowd that came out of Texas didn't succeed by worrying only about a day at a time or a week at a time," one senior administration official said.

The Pentagon put its own public-relations team in place shortly after Sept. 11, 2001, when it hired The Rendon Group on a $100,000-a-month contract. The State Department launched its campaign to sell American ideals overseas when it hired a former Madison Avenue advertising executive to run its Office of Public Diplomacy.

Target No. 1: Hussein

When Bush created the Office of Global Communications by executive order on Jan. 21, its aim was to coordinate public relations across the administration. The office's first report, issued almost immediately, was "Apparatus of Lies: Saddam's Disinformation and Propaganda 1990-2003."

The office is headed by Tucker Eskew, a soft-spoken but brass-knuckles political operative who ran Bush's South Carolina presidential primary campaign.

Every morning at 9:30 Washington time, a conference call with Global Communications offices in Qatar and London and other U.S. agencies sets the message of the day. The Washington office also issues the "Global Messenger," a daily e-mail to U.S. embassies and others outlining the administration's message.

On March 24, while the U.S. media were reporting that the invasion had fallen behind schedule, the Messenger reported that "news accounts today paint a vivid picture of joy and relief inside Iraq. American and coalition troops were being welcomed by smiling Iraqis."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-0304070189apr07,1,4382383.story
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beardedOldMan Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:31 PM
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11. Ya know...you're right
I'm brainwashed by propaganda...yup. No dogma from you.
So I'll just quit my job, pack some C4 in my shoes...wear a no blood for oil T-shirt and blow up a plane.

Because we supported (or allegedly supported) some tyrant means that we now must let them remain in power or be hypocrites. Well I for one don't want to be hypocrite...so yes, please deprogram me.

Next thing ya know you'll be calling me an Uncle Tom for not hating whitey!

Ooops, the brainwashing is kicking in again! Help me!

BOM
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:38 PM
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12. so you're equating anti-war protest types with suicide bombers?
Edited on Sun Dec-14-03 04:38 PM by thebigidea
"hating whitey"?

hooboy. I look forward to your lengthy stay. Now if you'll excuse me, I have some freedom-hating to do.

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beardedOldMan Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:54 PM
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13. Enjoy
Never said anything about anti-war protesters.

Now back to my freedom loving ;)
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:57 PM
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15. "wear a no blood for oil T-shirt and blow up a plane." you said
apparently I got the feeling that the two concepts were linked because you linked them. Communication is a wacky thing.

You love freedom? Are you with us or against us?

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beardedOldMan Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 06:27 PM
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18. I'm witcha brudda!
I'm with anyone who wants to have an open dialog and not shout slogans at me.

What am I signing up for now?
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:21 PM
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8. Hey, he is an animal. But we are animals too.
and hypocrites. This may enrage his supporters even more.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 03:26 PM
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9. Hes no worse than Bush
Really when you look at it Bush isnt any different. Murder doesnt come in different flavors depending on whos doin the killing.
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:55 PM
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14. Its more then alot of americans get
Maybe he should be happy
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 05:09 PM
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16. Wow! I must have missed the live rectal exam!
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 06:11 PM
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17. It bothered me, too...
I think because my mind has divided tv viewing into two categories...real and entertainment. Under "real", I place reality shows such as Candid Camera, America's Funniest Home Videos, Cops, etc. I can't stand to watch these shows because I know they are happening to real people. They disturb me even though I know other people think they're funny.

On the other hand, I love the Hollywood action, shoot 'em up, mow 'em down, kick butt extravaganzas because I know they are made-up entertainment and nobody is really getting hurt. I used to think that people liked monster movies because in the end the monster is defeated and the people are saved but it was explained to me that we are the monster and can vicariously feel the release of our inhibitions through projecting our self into the monster.?

When it comes to news, the news people feel unreal to me and the people they are reporting on, interviewing feel real so that the news caster is the "monster" and thier subjects are the real victims. I've thought about it because it is confusing to have two different reactions.?

What I really wanted to say is that I felt the same way as you when viewung those clips...

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 06:28 PM
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19. It's a Roman triumph, with the "barbarian chieftan" paraded
in a gilded cage so the citizens and slaves of empire may marvel at their own good fortune for being blessed by Mars.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 06:29 PM
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20. its against the geneva conventions to parade a pow like this.
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 06:32 PM
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22. It's a great show to some Americans
I don't think it's going to go down so well overseas.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 06:32 PM
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23. Hey, don't knock it, Saddam's getting far better treatment than 40 mil of
American citizens.

And for free, too.

Maybe 40 million Americans should start doing what Saddam did? :shrug:

How come this brutal nasty man is getting free room and board and housing and medical care and not our own country's poor?
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 06:41 PM
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24. Where do I show up for my free checkup?
What, tyrannical despots get free checkups, but poor kids from West Virginia are outta luck?
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 06:41 PM
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25. Well, he certainly looks pathetic, old, tired, and defeated...
Edited on Sun Dec-14-03 06:44 PM by hlthe2b
That could engender quite a bit of sympathy, I'd imagine from Iraqis and other Arabs who question American motives in turning over a neighboring government and bombing its people.


In all honesty, those photos and video made me feel uncomfortable too. THIS was the formidable foe that required us to sacrifice all these American lives, innocent Iraqis, and to squander our future economic security? He certainly didn't LOOK the part, for whatever that is worth...
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