At the state patrol office near the Tenn-Ga line NAZISM is alive and well.

I discovered that if you want to cross the state line, you must have a photo I.D. not just for the driver but for every other person and child in your car as well. If you do not, you and they are in violation of the law. It was frightening to see some junior league kids lining up at this police station so they would be photographed, just to cross into Georgia.

Driving is not a right, and any person driving should have a photo I.D. just to prove they are licensed to drive. But forcing passengers to carry a photo I.D. is unconstitutional and obstruction of justice. No state has the authority to stop individuals moving from state to state without the consent of Congress. The 14th amendment states that "no state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberity, or property, without due process of law..."

Has anyone else experienced these violations of the constitution when crossing state lines?

That's how the moonshiners do.

States cannot setup border checkpoints and demand IDs, it would be an infringement by the States of the Commerce Clause of the Constitution.

They already do this without a warrant or simply when an individual crosses from one state to the other!

at the California-Oregon border for decades. I believe it is officially to check for fruit being taken over, but of course it could be used for alerts on fugitives as well. It is a minor inconvenience, I don't have a problem with it.

Can you say more? You witnessed this yourself?

Eloriel

She was told to get photo I.D.s from the state for her 8 year-old daughter and 12-year old son when crossing state lines. Why???

The hell with the state, they might as well arrest all of us!

and recently crossed the state line in 2 places driving to North Carolina. I've never seen a checkpoint as described.

I recently drove from Ohio, through Indian and into Michigan without any trouble. I used to drive trucks cross country and the only time I was asked for my I.D. was for an inspection which is not unconstitutional. There a lot more laws for operating a big truck.

It seems like this should have been a big deal if it was a new law. Seems like we should have heard about it. What about it Georgians? Wasn't this in the news?

And this is happening on I-75, on the Georgia-Tennessee line!

If you had any sense you would get you,your family and as many friends as you can grab the HELL OUT OF THERE!!!!

I was born and graduated from HS there. You better believe I got the HELL OUT OF THERE!!!!

Disclaimer:

I am sure there are many good people that live in the south and like it there. I am just not one of them.

Plenty of people are happy to live in the South ...

They pull people over all the time for those. Try driving late at night with a black friend. Of course, the only reason a black person and a white person would be riding in the same car is if they were trying to score drugs. There are all kinds of ways that the police violate our freedom every day -- some are just more accepted than others.

No problems at all. And I was driving a U-Haul that could have been filled with God knows what. What happened to the people without an ID? Were they turned away? Arrested? Shot on site? Is this all the time at all crossings, or was there an event to trigger this checkpoint?

I just checked the DPS Georgia website and there is NOTHING on this.

http://www.georgia.gov/00/channel/0,2141,4802_5011,00.html

And that it was illegal for use to drive across the state line without one for the girl. They stated that next time, we should bring all the necessary info including her birth certificate so she would have ID. Again this is an 8 year-old girl who is five years from driving. Why the hell does she need such an I.D. to travel?

When did this law pass?

http://www.dmvs.ga.gov/drivers/applyingIdcards.asp

one. Every state offers Ids, for use in case you get a DUI and your licenses are revoked and so forth.

The site says that you CAN get one, not that you MUST have one.

I would rather see a link to a site saying that visitors to the state must carry an ID even for children or nondrivers.

It probably says the same about driver's licenses. Do they care if you get a ticket? It was the police officer who said we needed the photo I.D.. I posted this to find out what the hell is going on!

It seems screwy to me. But if you don't give a fuck, do it at your own peril. I have to live here!

in its jurisdiction. The officer I talked to said that not such ID wsa needed for my son, and that as far as drivers license are concerned, whatever laws bound me by my state would bind me in GA.

He actually chuckled at me when I asked about my son being required to carry a photo ID. HE said no such id was needed nor required to take my son through GA.

I did not doubt you or think you were lying, but I am traveling there this week and wanted to know before I left so that I could get the ID for my son in MS if necessary.

No hard feelings...but for my own protection I had to know about this.

I should make a call myself. Something is wrong, and I didn't imagine it.

Thanks for the info.

you need to get to the bottom of it, and make a huge stink about it. This is wrong!

He was on a bus and cops of some sort came on the bus and everybody had to have an ID. They were looking for illegals. Here he is a blonde haired, blue eyed kid who could barely say hello and good-by in Spanish, being asked to prove he wasn't an illegal. They told him it was the law, they had to question everybody. This was several years ago, before 9/11.

Is there any chance that you were being asked to prove you weren't 'illegals'? Nobody has to have an ID to travel in this country. Of course, if we want to be able to quickly prove we're 'legal', I guess we all better make sure and have something!

At the state-state border? Which one?

On a Greyhound bus. The bus was pulled over and everybody had to produce ID. Period. No exceptions. Which is just as weird to me as passing through a border. People shouldn't have to produce ID to travel through the country.

The Fayetteville cops have been pulling this shit for years with interstate buses because we're on one of the main routes for shipping crack to New York. They have two officers at the bus station at all times. When a bus arrives, they get on it and check everyone's ID, ask if "this bag" is yours, and if anyone seems "nervous," they have the authority to pull that person and all their stuff off the bus and inspect it for "drugs."

They pull a lot of people off the bus. Not many of them have drugs, but a very few do. This justifies terrifying everyone.

Now let me ask you: if you were transporting drugs, would you put your mules on a Greyhound Bus that you know is going to be shaken down by every cop from Miami to the Port Authority Bus Station--or would you buy Ford Tauruses and dress your mules in polo shirts?

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She can drive at 13?

when they could go around is beyond me. From all I've read about Georgia its a hell hole. What that state did to Senator Max Cleland is unconscionable.

If you are on I-75 traveling from AL to TN, it would be stupid to circumvent GA without an extremely good reason, such as having to have your kid's id'd by the state.

The alternative...longer drive in GA...has its benefits, though. Since AL is having such an economic crisis, you hardly see highway patrol on weekends. :-)

..... sounds absurd.

Georgia politics might suck, but most of GA is beautiful, the people are friendly, and we are in close proximity to the rest of the South and all it has to offer. I'm a native Californian who lives in Northern GA, and I like it here just fine - politics being the exception, but then again -- with the possible exception of Michigan -- what American political environment doesn't blow?

And I'm curious to know the exact location where this id check took place.

I am sick of people attacking the south on DU. Even though there are lots of republicans in the south, there is too much good to just discount it as a crappy region with crappy people...

I don't know if I made it clear in my earlier post, but I have nothing against Georgia, and always enjoy the drive through AL, GA, TN, NC. It is beautiful country like none else in this world.

And the appalachians are the oldest mountain chain in the world...just a really cool area.

Melinda, See you at rock city :-)

maybe we can mine for some rubies up toward Ashville. :)

The Smokey Mountains are GORGEOUS. Some of the best times we have are when we go there to soak up the local culture throughout the mountainsides, listen to the hill music (especially on Sunday mornings) and eating, eating, eating, lol... exploring the flea markets and buying hand made goods like quilts and baskets and jams. Wandering thru all the little communities and dangling our feet off bridges and playing in creeks. Those mountains are so blue and when my soul needs respite, I know exactly where to go. :hi:

I pass on the boiled peanuts though, heh.

we have Boiled Peanut parties where we all sit around a cast iron cauldron filled with salty water and p-nuts.

They are great! You must try them sometime!

Collard greens and grits and hard ass ham and sweet tea too, and I don't care for any of them, yuck!!

And there is absolutely no such thing as good mexican, chinese, or mid-eastern food here either (unless you count Indian food and I lean toward greek, armenian, etc). It's a good thing I travel a lot or I might have to bolt GA for good. Love the barbecue though! :)

Tomatoes sliced, Helmans Mayo, and white bread...that is the true southern delicacy!

Man, get a clue

machines' role in our 2002 election.

I'm not discounting the possibilty but its not proven yet.

Common Decency is lost on the *majority* who voted for that asshole. But don't feel slighted, I wouldn't step foot in any of those southern states, just like I wouldn't step foot in that puke state of Utah. There are just some states that are too stupid Republican for me and I'd be afraid that being outspoken as I am I'd likey get lynched by those who call themselves citizens in them thar parts. But don't take it so personal dude, I live in that stupid white man Bill Thomas district.

next week and want to know more:

1) Exactly where did this happen?

2) Exactly when did this happen?

3) Did you speak to any of the DPS officials to ascertain why this was being done?

4) Did you hear from a DPS official that all children and passengers entering GA have to have an ID?

Please tell me more...I am going through there this week and will take an alternate route bypassing GA if this is so.

On our way to Tennessee we were stopped and asked if all of us had photo ID to show the officers. My grandfather, a lawyer, asked why not just check my ID? The trooper's answer, anyone crossing state lines is required to carry state ID on them proving they are who they claim to be. Thankfully my grandfather and I both had our licenses, but this was a first for me. The only time I have been stopped and checked for my lincense was when I was driving too fast, not for being a passenger. Later, in Tennessee, my Aunt explained that this had also happened to her. She was told by the Tennessee patrol office, when renewing her own license, that her kids would need photo ID's if they were going to be driven across state lines. I would not have believed her, if it had not happened to us on the way up there.

I am wondering if there is a law, or if this is another corrupt act of the wonderful State Patrols. The state patrol has broken the law before when working across state lines to setup unlawful speed traps. Later the head of the state patrol was sacked by Zell Miller, an action Tom Murphy didn't care for.

The southern states certainly seem to be on a campaign to become even bigger fascist strong holds than they already are. Despite the work of good lefties all over the south, in general, the south sucks!

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frequently, and he has never been stopped nor asked for his ID at any TN/GA state checkpoint.

I drive from North Carolina to Georgia almost daily. But this is a first for me!

This whole scenario seems like something from another era and time and country....

Please call the DMV in both states and find out, and then let us all know? This is just bizarre!

And do you know it's 2:43 am? G'night!! :)

My right-wing grandfather didn't give a fuck about me being IDed even though I wasn't driving, but my Aunt was certainly upset. But if the cops are being over-enthusiastic, then this is true for both sides of the state line!

not required, per the patrolman in the Dade Co. area office. See my post on the topic above.

G'night :-)

told the IDs were required for crossing state lines. See my posts above!

SWEET DREAMs!

I don't think your experience is typical, though.

I guess I will find out Tuesday or Wednesday. :-)

It was regular cops or state troopers? Sounds to me like an anomoly but one can never know. I am in California but have seen Wackenhut security forces on the roads in Arizona.

Either way, if you happened to recall the officers name, I would follow up on it.

It is NOT a requirement for the passengers to carry ID but it IS a requirement for anyone over the age of 18 to carry ID.

Since it doesn't really matter, it was the Georgia state patrol that pulled us over and the Tennessee state troopers at a license office that informed my Aunt she needed the two IDs for the kids. They also photographed some junior league baseball kids that were on their way to Georgia.

Maybe there is some new homeland security deal...as my handle implies, it wouldn't surprise me.

with the exception that our bags were not checked, and we were not searched. And that makes a big difference.

I can't think of any other reason.

I came through that area in June, but diverted over to Alabama, to go to Scottsboro. Gorgeous drive.

You talk about your personal problems, and ya get a kick in the face!!!

From now on I stick to just politics! :dunce:

And I don't doubt it happened to you. But I don't think it is general practice at the TN-GA state line. Like I said, I will find out this week.

Another thing, I think it is because of the way you posed it as a new practice that is occurring with all travelers crossing into or out of GA. That is where my disbelief occurred.

So don't think anyone doesn't believe you. I believe it happened to you, but I think the problem wasn't the state of GA, but a stupid cop.

Friends? :-)

One other fact. My aunt was renewing the license in Tennessee, not in Georgia.

Really, I appreciate you relating this...I will be on my p's and q's as I drive through GA and TN.

I really 'preciate it. :-) :-) :-)

that they're going to have to arrest the kids. Then sue the f*ck out of them for violating the kid's constitutional and civil rights.

You don't need photo ID to drive from state to state.

I'm locking this thread.