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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:46 PM
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Wes Clark - hero
Can someone with some facts and figures tell me the awards and medals Wes Clark has recieved in his lifetime? Ive heard he had a bronze star? Can someone help me ? I want to write a Bio about him.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:49 PM
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1. From the clark main site
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:51 PM
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2. Medal of Freedom and apparently knighted in Netherlands....
what a man! But.....will Democrats wake up to this man's potential??
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:53 PM
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3. He was a Knight also? wow. Thanks you folks nt
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:39 PM
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31. Sir Wesley???????????
Oh my.........:loveya:
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Texas_Dem Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:55 PM
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4. here is a partial list
Silver Star Medal
Bronze Star Medal
Purple Heart
Meritorious Service Medal
Army Commendation Medal

to name just a few....


http://www.clark04.com/records/awards/




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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:56 PM
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5. Just a few
Among his military decorations are the Defense Distinguished Service Medal (five awards), Distinguished Service Medal (two awards), Silver Star, Legion of Merit (four awards), Bronze Star Medal (two awards), Purple Heart, Meritorious Service Medal (two awards) and the Army Commendation Medal (two awards), NATO Medal for Service with NATO on Operations in Relation to Kosovo, NATO Medal for Service with NATO on Operations in Relation to the Former Republic of Yugoslavia.

His Foreign awards include the Honorary Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (United Kingdom); Commander of the Legion of Honor (France); Grand Cross of the Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany; Knight Grand Cross in the Order of Orange-Nassau, with Swords (Netherlands); Grand Officer of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Italy; Grand Cross of the Medal of Military Merit (Portugal); The Commander’s Cross with Star of the Order of Merit of Republic of Poland; Grand Officer of the Order of Merit of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg; Grand Medal of Military Merit (White Band) (Spain); The Grand Cordon of the Order of Leopold (Belgium); Cross of Merit of the Minister of Defense First Class (Czech Republic); Order of Merit of the Hungarian Republic; Commander’s Cross, The Silver Order of Freedom of the Republic of Slovenia; Madarski Konnik Medal (Bulgaria); Commemorative Medal of the Minister of Defence of the Slovak Republic First Class (Slovakia); First Class Order of Lithuanian Grand Duke Gediminas (Lithuania); Order of the Cross of the Eagle (Estonia); The Skandeberg Medal (Albania); Order of Merit of Morocco; Order of Merit of Argentina; The Grade of Prince Butmir w/Ribbon and Star (Croatia) and the Military Service Cross of Canada.


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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 10:02 PM
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6. I have a question
Did he ever wear any of these foreign metals, and will he ever be expected to wear them again, and in what circumstances. Are they now relagated to the attic? Just wondering.
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 10:45 PM
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15. Sorry, don't know (eom)
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:04 AM
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24. I don't believe you can wear those in uniform. I believe he can in civvies
but I doubt that he will. Make a nice display in the White House. ;)
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 10:08 PM
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7. Clark is fine...
I'm a Dean supporter, but Wes Clark would be a good enough second place for me. I don't know what-all medals and accolades he has.

But I wanted to discuss something else you brought to mind: what, exactly, is a hero?

This question came up after September 11, 2001, in regard to firefighters and first-reponders who lost their lives.

I can look up hero in the dictionary easily enough, and I can look at Joseph Campbell's expanded version. I'm interested in what you think a hero is. Or anyone else who happens across this post. What is a hero? What defines a hero? What do all heroes have in common? What benefit do they provide to society? Does Wes Clark fit your definition of hero? Who else does? Who doesn't?

If this is too off-topic, too much of a thread-jack, my apologies and I'll take it somewhere else. But it seemed about half-pertinent, given the title of your thread.

Thanks.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 10:10 PM
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8. I would say someone who risked their life for our freedom.
Or someone who went back in the building on 911. I dont believe sports stars or rock stars are heroes like some. Risk of life is a good measure
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 10:13 PM
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9. OK, thanks!
Risk of life in the pursuit of some noble goal, maybe. Agree on the sports and rock stars, by the way.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:51 AM
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19. Depends on the Rock Star
I remember the Beatles making efforts to cause change, and that could be considered heroic. So could standing up to the RIAA in my book, being the artist that I am.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 10:16 PM
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10. A definition
not saying it is the only or the best but...

One who sacrifices greatly or risks life and limb for the benefit others.

Do I think Clark is a hero? Yes.

Of course there are many heroes and many that aren't recognized.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 10:19 PM
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11. Campbell's hero with a thousand faces
or the Hero's Journey is a mythic heroic archetype that we can apply to our own lives or the lives of current literary heros.

Could I make a case for Clark?

Well...he was reluctant to accept the invitation, now who will or what special guidance will he receive along his journey?

I think that his tour of Vietnam was a result of his best friends death in combat. What he learned along the way, we have no way of knowing. That he survived four gun shots wounds and still commanded his unit, is rather impressive.

I don't think that Clark considers himself heroic. What he likes are challenges from which can learn things. He is very intense and at the same time gentle. He is a complicated person.
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 10:43 PM
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14. True heroes never consider themselves heroic
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:10 AM
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26. very true about clark. i remember someone in a frozen river in a plane
crash handing off the helicopter escape ring over and over and finally disappearing under the water to their death.

I remember a lot of people coming to someone's rescue without a
thought.

Heroes all.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:07 AM
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25. someone who does the hard thing even when it hurts, even when you
know you'll get hurt, even when it isn't popular.

Falling on a grenade for a buddy.
Going up the WTC when it was burning.
Rappelling down a mountainside in Kosovo to help someone even if they might be dead, even if it might kill you from the exploding ordinance.
Any guardsman, reservist who goes to Iraq now, knowing what its like and going anyway.
Anyone who takes a principled stand not to go and takes their lumps.
Anyone with someone in harms way that doesn't take to drinking.
Anyone with someone in harms way who does; walk a mile in their shoes

Everyone who ever did a selfless thing, whether conscious or not, that was good and advanced someone else.

My dad is one. He overcame cancer and makes it his life's work to be a good man, to tell people to quit smoking and make up every slight he ever made to anyone in his life.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 10:24 PM
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12. Clark?
Too brave,

Too smart,

Too talented,

Too much ability,

Too experienced,

Too much integrity,

Too much honor,

Too many ideas,

Too much vision,

Too energetic,

Too foresightful,

Too articulate,

Too compassionate,

Too relevant,

Too American.


Ah, hell! He might as well be President.


:)

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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 10:41 PM
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13. Yes...he is a hero
but may of us have somehow become so cynical and jaded that we only recognize the faux heroes...arnold, ronald, w

We had rather have our heroes created for us...scripted for us...produced for us...so when we are presented with a real, authentic, principled hero...we just don't know what the hell to think...and accuse him of being fake....or a plant...or on boards...

and sometimes...you can see in his eyes that he just doesn't know what to think either...

Buck up, people...he's the real deal. He'll give his all for us and this country because that is just who he is and that is what he has been doing his whole life.

Let's give him the chance to do what he does best.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 10:46 PM
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16. I agree
The right has such a problem distinguishing their heroes. They confuse movies for real life. Its almost comical to watch these morons .

Can you imagine the heat we would take if we represented a Hollywood actor as a hero because he played one in the movies?
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:56 PM
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17. Yup, he's a good man.
kick
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jonoboy Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:27 AM
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18. Wes Clark = American Hero & Patriot
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:56 AM
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20. Here's his Curriculum Vitae - They're all listed here
Page 1
CURRICULUM VITAE
Name
Wesley K.Clark
Four Star General, US Army (ret)
Address
Washington, DC USA
Born
23, December, 1944
Chicago, Illinois USA
Marital status Married (while at Oxford), one son
Education and Career
1962-1966
United States Military Academy at West Point, First in Class, MA
1966-1968
Rhodes Scholar, Magdalen College, University of Oxford
(PPE)
1968 -
Began active military duty, Vietnam. Wounded four times
1971-1974
Assistant Professor of Social Science at West Point
Graduate of the National War College
Graduate of Command and General Staff College
Graduate of Armor Officer Advanced and Basic Courses
Graduate of Ranger school
Graduate of Airborne school
1975-1976
White House Fellow, served as Special Assistant to the Director of Office
Management and Budget
1991- 1992
Deputy Chief of Staff for Concepts and Doctrine and Developments, U.S. Army
Training and Doctrine Command
1992-1994
Commander, 1st Cavalry Division, Fort Hood, Texas
1994-1996
Director for Strategic Plans and Policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff with
responsibilities for worldwide U.S. military strategic planning
1996-1997
Commander in Chief of the United States Southern Command, Panama,
(responsible for direction of U.S. military activities in Latin America and the
Caribbean)
1997-2000
NATO Supreme Allied Commander and Commander in Chief of United States
European Command.
2001-
Chairman, Wesley K. Clark & Associates
2003
Presidential Candidate, Democratic Party

Page 2
General Wesley Clark
2
Honours
Distinguished Service Medal (seven awards)
Silver Star, Legion of Merit (four awards)
Bronze Star Medal (two awards)
Purple Heart
Meritorious Service Medal (two awards)
Army Commendation Medal (two awards)
NATO Medal for Service with NATO on Operations in Relation to Kosovo
NATO Medal for Service with NATO on Operations in Relation to the Former
Republic of Yugoslavia
Honorary Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire
(United Kingdom)
Commander of the Legion of Honour (France)
Grand Cross of the Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany
Knight Grand Cross in the Order of Orange-Nassau, with Swords (Netherlands)
Grand Officer of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Italy
Grand Cross of the Medal of Military Merit (Portugal)
The Commander's Cross with Star of the Order of Merit of Republic of Poland
Grand Officer of the Order of Merit of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg
Grand Medal of Military Merit (White Band) (Spain)
The Grand Cordon of the Order of Leopold (Belgium)
Cross of Merit of the Minister of Defence First Class (Czech Republic)
Order of Merit of the Hungarian Republic; Commander's Cross, The Silver Order of
Freedom of the Republic of Slovenia
Madarski Konnik Medal (Bulgaria)
Commemorative Medal of the Minister of Defence of the Slovak Republic First Class
(Slovakia)
First Class Order of Lithuanian Grand Duke Gediminas (Lithuania)
Order of the Cross of the Eagle (Estonia)
The Skandeberg Medal (Albania); Order of Merit of Morocco
Order of Merit of Argentina
The Grade of Prince Butmir w/Ribbon and Star (Croatia)
Military Service Cross of Canada.
Legacy of Leadership Award, White House Fellows Association
Lady Liberty Award
Presidential Medal of Freedom

Page 3
General Wesley Clark
3
PUBLICATIONS
Books
Clark, W. K. (2003). Winning Modern Wars: Iraq, Terrorism, and the
American Empire. Public Affairs, New York, NY.
Clark, W. K. (2001). Waging Modern War: Bosnia, Kosovo, and the
Future of Combat. Public Affairs, New York, NY.
Articles
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London, July 1
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London June 26
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London, May 1
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London, April 17
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London, April 16
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London, April 12
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London, April 10
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London, April 8
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London. April 7
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London. April 5
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London. April 4
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London. April 3
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London. April 2
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London. April 1
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London. March 29
Clark, W. K. (2003). Washington Times, March 23
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London. March 28
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London. March 27
Clark, W. K. (2003) The Times, London. March 25
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London. March 24
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London. March 21
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London. March 20
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London. March 5
Clark, W. K. (2003). The Times, London Feb 19
Clark, W. K. (2000). Washington Post, December 8
Clark, W. K. (2003) New Perspectives Quarterly 20, no. 1

Page 4
General Wesley Clark
4
Clark, W. K. (2002) Washington Monthly. 34, no. 9
Clark, W. K. (2001) American Foreign Policy Interests 23, no. 5
Clark, W. K. (2001) American Foreign Policy Interests 23, no. 5
Clark, W. K. (2000) Time. (May 22, 2000):
Consultantships, Directorships etc
Consultant for Stephens Inc
Managing Director – Merchant Banking of Stephens Group, Inc.
Chairman and CEO of Wesley K. Clark & Associates
Senior military analyst for Cable News Network (CNN)
Chairman of the Board of Wave Crest Laboratories
Board of Directors, Axiom Corporation
Board of Directors, Messer-Griesheim
Board of Directors, Sirva Corporation
Board of Directors, Entrust, Inc
Senior military analyst for CNN
International Crisis Group (ICG) Board of Trustees Brussels, Belgium.
Senior advisor for the Centre for Strategic & International
Studies (CSIS)
Principal Invited Lectures etc
22
nd
Annual Morganthaw Lecture Series, Carnegie Council on Ethics and
International Affairs
Keynote Speaker, 20th Oxford Analytica International Conference.
Christ Church, Oxford, September 2003.
Speaker, Oxonian Society Meeting, September 2001
Rhodes Trust and the Rothermere American Institute, October, 2000
Guest of the McCormack Institute “Reflections on U.S. Policy Towards Iraq” October
10, 2002
Speaker at a meeting of the Royal Institute of International Affairs, Chatham House,
October 2001
Noted speaker presenting key insights on strategic leadership, foreign and military
policy and high technology to corporate leaders and other audiences
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:57 AM
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23. Awesome post Tinoire
Really . Very thorough . Danke
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 06:17 AM
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29. Thank you Tinoire..........
Excellent post! :)
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LosinIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:29 AM
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21. He is a hero because he can feel for people....
he got teared-up on The Daily Show when discussing the little boy who was worried about his Dad. Thought he was gonna lose it. That kicked him up many notches in my book.
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imhotep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:53 AM
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22. heroes don't wear medals
there is a big difference between acts of bravery and being a hero.

HE is a politician. It is scary the way people worship politicians.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:12 AM
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27. w didn't rappel down a mountainside to help someone. most people
wouldn't. its that percentage that would without thought that constitute real heroism. its selflessness.

By the way, Tinoire, thank you very much. Lovely stuff, our boy.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:25 AM
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28. Anyone have a link to that rapelling
I read it once but cant find anything now.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 07:14 AM
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30. The Rappelling Story
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/000868.html

"In August 1995, the general -- three stars, working as J-5 for the Joint Chiefs -- went to Bosnia as part of the negotiating team Ambassador Richard Holbrooke had put together to end the civil war that had resulted in the massacre of as many as eight thousand Muslim men and boys at the town of Srebrenica the month before. In Belgrade, Clark had met for the first time Serbian president Slobodan Milosevic, who was sponsoring the Bosnian Serbs. Now the team had to travel to Sarajevo. Told that the airport in Sarajevo was too dangerous to fly into, the team decided to drive and asked Milosevic to guarantee its safety on a road held by Bosnian Serbs. Milosevic did not, and so the team wound up taking a fortified Humvee and an armored personnel carrier on a pitched, narrow, winding mountain road notoriously vulnerable to Serb machine-gun fire. Clark and Holbrooke went in the Humvee, the rest in the APC.

In his book, the general describes what happened this way: "At the end of the first week we had a tragic accident on Mount Igman, near Sarajevo. were killed when the French armored personnel carrier in which they were riding broke through the shoulder of the road and tumbled several hundred meters down a steep hillside."

It is not until one reads Holbrooke's book...that one finds out that after the APC went off the road, Clark grabbed a rope, anchored it to a tree stump, and rappelled down the mountainside after it, despite the gunfire that the explosion of the APC set off, despite the warnings that the mountainside was heavily mined, despite the rain and the mud, and despite Holbrooke yelling that he couldn't go. It is not until one brings the incident up to the general that one finds out that the burning APC had turned into a kiln, and that Clark stayed with it and aided in the extraction of the bodies."

"....Hearing this story, you begin to get the sense of Clark's sense of duty, his extraordinary courage, and quite simply, his heroism. And yet, when writing about this ordeal in his own autobiography, Clark simply describes what occurred as a "tragic accident" in which three members of his team were killed..."

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